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Senate rejects amendment to Sen. Vogel's ultrasound bill

Bill is on the calendar for final Senate vote today

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) -- Sen. Janet Howell says if pregnant women should have to get an ultrasound before having an abortion, men should have to undergo additional medical procedures before getting a prescription for erectile dysfunction.

Howell, D-Fairfax, on Monday expressed her disdain for legislation requiring the ultrasound by proposing an amendment she described as a simple matter of fairness. Her amendment said that before being treated for erectile dysfunction, a man would have to undergo a digital rectal exam and a cardiac stress test.

"We should just have a little gender equity here," Howell said.

She said if women are going to be subjected to an unnecessary medical procedure, men should be as well.

Sen. Jill Vogel, R-Fauquier and the chief sponsor of the ultrasound bill, countered that erectile dysfunction and pregnancy clearly are not the same.

The Senate rejected the amendment on a mostly party-line 21-19 vote.

Vogel's bill will be on the calendar for a final Senate vote Tuesday. The legislation would require all women seeking abortions to have an ultrasound image taken to determine the gestational age of the fetus. It says each patient must be given the opportunity to see the image or hear the fetal heartbeat, but not required to do so.

After the ultrasound, women who live less than 100 miles from the medical facility would have to wait at least 24 hours before having the abortion except in the event of a medical emergency. Women who live more than 100 miles away would have to wait only two hours.


Here we go again! The Senate is passing legislation that doesn't have a chance of passing legality standards, and will most likely never be enacted after the first court challange. It would be far more productive if our elected officials spent their time working on real problems such as the economy and jobs situation instead of grandstanding with legislative acts that serve no purpose other than to produce quotable headlines for their next re-election campaign.

Another example of religious bigotry using governments legislative processes attempting to force religious beliefs and values on non-religious citizens and women's reproductive rights. Keep every church's religious fanaticism from trying to force themselves and their magical beliefs upon government. The U.S. Constitution says they must.

How is it "religious bigotry" to oppose abortion? Does religion hold a monlpoly on the opposition to abortion? Can an atheist not beleive that life begins at conception? If I look at an ultrasound of a 1 month old fetus and see a beating heart, am I not allowed to believe that that is a living creature unless I believe in God?

Indignation to abortion is rooted in the obvious point that all religion suffers from one incurable deficiency; it was clearly derived from our own desire to escape from or survive death.

Violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism, tribalism, and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous to women and coercive toward children, organized religion ought to have a great deal on its conscious.

Objection to birth control is fundamentally a concern only to ignorant wishful thinking of a kind that understands man rode dinosaurs barebacked.

Wow! You'd think somewhere in all those big words might be an answer to one of my questions. You're obviously under no obligation to answer my questions but, since you were replying to my comment, I assume that was your intention. I guess you were going for the "I'll talk so smart this backwoods hillbilly won't know what I'm saying" technique.

Your hatred for organized religion is evident, but none of my concern. I'm simply asking why you qualify any opposition to abortion as "religious bigotry".

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