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Letter to the Editor: Arms Trade Treaty will have no effect on personal gun ownership


Editor:

Mr. Bost once again can't seem to get his facts correct. In his letter of July 16 he states that the U.S. by signing the Arms Trade Treaty Resolution would strip Americans of their right to keep and bear arms under the Second Amendment.

This is an old Internet rumor that has no basis in fact. The Arms Trade Treaty resolution is a proposed United Nations treaty that would regulate the global trade of conventional weapons. It would have no effect on our personal right under the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms. Banning weapons for U.S. citizens isn't possible under our Constitution, according to the Supreme Court in its ruling in 2008 quoted below:

"District of Columbia v. Heller: (T)he enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table. These include the absolute prohibition of handguns held and used for self-defense in the home."

Furthermore, treaties don't subject one nations' citizens to the laws of other nations. They commit governments to whatever actions a treaty specifies, such as the transfer of arms across borders in this instance. The UN recognizes individual gun ownership rights under "U.N. General Assembly Resolution A/C.38 Rev.1, Oct. 28 (2008)...Acknowledging also the right of States to regulate internal transfers of arms and national ownership, including through national constitutional protections on private ownership, exclusively within their territory.."

It should also be noted that all international treaties require the approval of two-thirds of the Senate before they are considered ratified and in effect.

Ron Golliday, Edinburg


19 Comments



Mr. Goliday, To steal a line from another blogger on this site, "Please don't confuse poor Mr. Bost with facts."

I applaud the content of Mr. Golliday's letter to the editor.

John Bost's problem captured my attention, if not my cold black heart.... if I may be so bold as to claim to have the answer without also enjoying Bost's foot-in-mouth habituation...

Bost's affliction is called the argument from ignorance (“it must be true because it has not been proven false”) or sometimes the argument from personal incredulity (“because I cannot imagine or accept a natural explanation, there cannot be one”).

It’s one thing to forget the past, with predictable consequences, as the favorite aphorism goes. But what about those who refuse to comprehend the present? Many of Bost's pronouncements seemed to be made on the basis of appealing to the Fox News crowd, which represents to me an ever-descending lowest factual content denominator. It is nothing more than mere accidental coincidence should Bost's accusations be supported by any independently verifiable facts. In short, Bost never knows what he is talking about and he seems to take great joy in publicly demonstrating his ignorance and prejudice.

Forewarned is forearmed: Bost is more prone to believe and then champion the “Wondrously False” than the “Wondrously True”. Consequently, like the Japanese soldier hiding on a Pacific island for 45 years after the end of WWII, stubbornness is never giving up the cause... we must be prepared to endlessly refute this Tin Foil Hat craziness.

What you say is true, as far as the stated intent of the treaty is concerned. However, the treaty has not actually been written. What it actually will say we don't know. It is still a good idea for everyone to write their senators and urge them to carefully review the final treaty and reject if it does have the possibility of violating our rights. This is especially true given the fact that the Obama administration has repeatedly gone around the Constitution to make his own Presidential directives. The congress and senate even passed one into law, the contraceptive mandate that violates the First Amendment rights of religious organizations. Hopefully, banning weapons under the constitution is unlikely, but it is not impossible in this day and time.

It is more than just an "internet rumor." Many people fear the treaty could violate our Constitutional rights, including many members of Congress and Senate. In fact, fifty-eight senators, including 13 Democrats, have signed a letter stating they are opposed to the treaty.


Yeah, Ms. Mackie, I confuse to easily as it is.

Mr. Bost what the Senators have signed is a letter addressed to President Obama stating they will oppose ratification of an Arms Trade Treaty that in any way restricts the rights of law-abiding American gun owners. As stated this scenario isn't possible under our constitution.

They didn't say they were opposed to the treaty just one that would restrict rights under the 2nd amendment. Get the difference???

In reading the various on line comments, I have noticed that Mr. Bost's thoughts and/or opinions are ridiculed or attacked on a regular basis. While it is everyone's right to comment, I am wondering if many are afraid of any type of conservative opinion. I, certainly, do not necessarily agree with Mr. Bost but he is entitled to comment as well as the "liberals"!!! It is up to the individual to decide which side is right but it is good to hear all sides, as well.

I have no problem with Mr. Bost expressing his opinion. I do have a problem with his presenting information that is not factual and misleading to the public.


As a self-appointed judge and jury I see the problem here of differing viewpoints might be best summarized with a quote and an example. The author Stanley Kubrick said, "Reality is not what you see. Reality is what I see". OK, fair enough. But what does Kubrick imply?

The fact: A while back a couple of well known men had lunch together.

Most of the headlines from responsible news services said something along the line of "Obama And Biden Enjoy A Juicy Hamburger".

Fox Noise, Shock Blob Rush Limberger, Bloviating Glum Beck, Michelle Bost, John Bachman, and Flatulent Flathers would see the same luncheon and report the story with headlines proclaiming "Obama And Biden Murder A Cow And Celebrate The Death Enjoying A Bloody Pagan Meal".

Case closed. Guilty as charged. This way to the gallows.

ROFLMAO


Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. ~Dwight D. Eisenhower

As someone who has lived in countries where civil unrest runs rampant, coups, etc. to see gullible Americans falling in line behind the NRA propanganda pied piper is pathetic!!! To use an old saying...."it will be a cold day in hell" before we as a nation will lose our Second Amendment rights. Former United Nations Ambassador under President George W. Bush is now the Chairman of the National Rifle Association International Affairs Subcommittee; however, when NRA introduces their new lobbyist in speeches, they play on the fact that he was a former UN ambassador (never mind that he was extremely poor one)--but it has the NRA-desired effect..."Oh! He was a UN ambassador? Then surely he knows where this will lead...the loss of our Second Amendment rights!" And thus the pied pipers' followers fall in line!

President GHW Bush resigned from the NRA in 1995 after a politically charged ad by the Association regarding the BATFE.

The U.S. is world's biggest arms exporter with a $55 billion–a–year trade in conventional firearms (40 percent of the global total).

The U.S. gun lobby is once again falsely painting the critically important arms trade talks at the United Nations as an effort to undermine gun ownership in the United States ("NRA Takes Aim at Weapons Treaty" 7/9)...Spreading such misinformation may help the National Rifle Association raise money and gain converts to its cause, but it has no basis in fact. Worse still, it gives credence to allegations that the NRA's attempt to make this treaty a Second Amendment issue is merely a front to conceal its true motive—to protect the lucrative weapons industry that bankrolls the organization and benefits immensely from current free-for-all in the global trade in weapons and ammunition.

(Dated info) According to the Better Business Bureau's web site, the NRA does not fall within the BBB's scope of Standards for Charity Accountability. They do note the following financials for the NRA as of December 31, 2004. The NRA's CEO, Wayne LaPierre, received a yearly salary of $895,897 in 2004. They also indicated that fundraising costs accounted for 46% of the contributions received. The NRA is a 501(c)(4) organization and indicated that the NRA's total income in 2004 was $205,402,491 and had expenses of $206,886,970. Total NRA assets at the end of 2004 were $222,841,128. (Wikipedia) BBB today: NRA has had ca 442 complaints in last three years--most involved nonpayment of debts.

The height of insanity: Isabella Santorum , a three-year-old who suffers from a fatal chromosomal disorder, is now an National Rifle Association member for life. Both of her parents, one of whom is former presidential candidate Rick Santorum, also have life memberships.

A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both. ~Dwight D. Eisenhower

The former UN Ambassador referenced above is John Bolton.

It really seems obscene to even be discussing 2nd amendment rights after what has happened in Aurora, CO.

The Supreme Court has already ruled emphatically that a treaty CANNOT supersede the Constitution. The problem is with the secondary things that the treaty will impose on countries and those are bad enough to warrant it going down in flames.

What are those secondary things?

You do realize Robert the treaty hasn't yet been written don't you?

Robert, secondary things? Please tell us what you consider them to be.


Found this on the internet...the disinformation is really free flowing with these people...it would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic that this type of stupidity is actually believed by some less educated members of our society.


http://ozarkteaparty.com/tag/arms-trade-treaty

Jane, thank you for the link to that website. Unbelievable and pathetic is all I can say! I know many people lack the intellectual curiosity to check into the accuracy of what they are told by just one source---their partisan "side". (There are numerous non-partisan fact checking sites as we all know.) But I think there are also people out there who so hate President Obama, Liberals, and anyone who is not "conservative enough" in their view (i.e. "moderates" of any stripe) that they will "buy" into anything without question that feeds into their conservative belief system. And to be fair, it probably works on the other side too for some in the left wing who just want to read what feeds into their beliefs. A big difference though, is the right wing today runs the Republican Party and also they have so many more sources feeding them misinformation and lies---outlets such as an entire 24/7 cable channel with Fox so-called "news", all the right wing talk-radio shock-jocks, I believe larger numbers of radical-right wing forwarded e-mails sent round and round, as well as these tea party groups spreading their misinformation and lies.

This reminds me of when the executive vice president of the NRA, Wayne LaPierre, spoke at the CPAC conference 2011 and said that President Obama's decision to not pursue gun control legislation is all part of "---a massive conspiracy to lull gun owners to sleep and play us for fools in 2012" and the "thinking" (and I use that word loosely) apparently of the NRA is that "if President Obama is re-elected", after said "lulling to sleep all gun owners", Obama "will then rush in and will destroy the Second Amendment". You can read this at www.rawstory.com under "nra claims massive obama conspiracy " and it probably would be on archives on CNN and MSNBC as it was shown at the time of CPAC. You can not make this stuff up, it is that bizarre!!

When the right wing/Republicans have to spread such extensive lies on not only this issue, but others, then they really are not confident that to be honest with the electorate would win them any votes! They just manipulate their followers and their followers allow it.

song98, It IS really sad to see what has happened to this country! You are so right about the news(sic) sources influence and how willing people are to believe these 'talking heads'. As Limbaugh's name 'pops' up in many of our blogs and his estimated listening audience is circa 15 - 20 million, he is a prime example of the decomposition in America.....

On women:

The nags … the national association of gals, that’s our pet name for the NOW gang … the nags are a bunch of whores to liberalism.
~Rush Limbaugh, October 14, 2010
“What is it with all of these young, single white women? Overeducated- doesn’t mean intelligent.” March 6, 2012
“I’m a huge supporter of women. What I’m not is a supporter of liberalism. Feminism is what I oppose. Feminism has led women astray. I love the women’s movement — especially when walking behind it.” ~Rush Limbaugh, “Fox News’ Fox & Friends,” February 3, 2010
“They’re out there protesting what they actually wish would happen to them sometimes.” ~Rush Limbaugh, April 26, 2004

Re Limbaugh's comments on Sandra Fluke, George Will said, “[House Speaker John] Boehner comes out and says Rush’s language was inappropriate. Using the salad fork for your entrée, that’s inappropriate. Not this stuff,” Will said. “And it was depressing because what it indicates is that the Republican leaders are afraid of Rush Limbaugh. They want to bomb Iran, but they’re afraid of Rush Limbaugh.”

FYI, Limbaugh has been married four times, has no children from any of his four marriages, has no sisters; guess that is why he has such expertise on women's issues.

People:

“Holocaust? Ninety million Indians? Only four million left? They all have casinos — what’s to complain about?” ~September 25, 2009
“There are more American Indians alive today than there were when Columbus arrived or at any other time in history. Does this sound like a record of genocide?” ~Rush Limbaugh, November 1993
“Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?” ~Rush Limbaugh
“Let the unskilled jobs that take absolutely no knowledge whatsoever to do — let stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that work.” Fall 1993
"Guess what? Faisal Shahzad is a registered Democrat. I wonder if his SUV had an Obama sticker on it." --Rush Limbaugh, lying about the failed Times Square car bomber, who is not registered to vote, May 4, 2010

FYI, Limbaugh graduated high school, two seminars and one summer of college...so in that respect, assume he has had much more education than his average listener.

The Rush Limbaugh show is syndicated by Premiere Networks, Inc, as are Beck, Hannity, Savage, Levin and Gibson, Premiere Networks, Inc. is part of Texas-based Clear Channel Communications. Bain Capital, yes, Bain Capital, owns Clear Channel Communications. Clear Channel is the largest owner (850 stations) of full-power AM and FM stations in the U.S.

Oh, just another interesting tidbit: Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas) worth $287.0 Million. When McCaul was first elected to the House in 2004 (eight years ago), his minimum net worth was $12 million. This meteoric rise in McCaul's net worth appears to come from large transfers of money to his wife, Linda McCaul, from her father, Clear Channel Communications founder and CEO Lowry Mays. On November 16, 2006, Clear Channel announced plans to go private, being bought out by two private-equity firms, Thomas H. Lee Partners and Bain Capital Partners for $18.7 billion.

In the 112th Congress, Congressman McCaul serves on the following committees

Committee on Ethics

Committee on Foreign Affairs

Committee on Science and Technology



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