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Letter to the Editor: HHS to destroy legacy of great Catholic women


Editor:

Mr Lowerre, throughout its history, the Catholic church has given women many accolades.

Mary has the highest veneration, "Mother of God."

"Doctor of the Church:" St. Catherine of Siena told the pope to return to Rome from the Avignon exile and is patroness of the Catholic American Women's Fraternity - Theta Phi Alpha; St. Teresa of Avila for her writings and reform of monasteries; St. Thérèse of Lisieux, patroness of all missionaries, for her Little Way; St. Hildegard, for scientific advances and music for Passion plays.

Canonization, declared a saint: too many women to include - just a few American women follow:

St. Elizabeth Seton, first American born saint, founded the Sisters of Charity, started schools and hospitals in Emmitsburg, Md., Boston, Philadelphia, and New York.

St. Rose Duchesne founded the first free school in St. Louis and free schools, hospitals, and orphanages across Missouri. At 72 she opened Amercan Indian schools in Kansas.

St. Frances Cabrini founded schools, orphanages and hospitals from New York to Chicago, from Seatle to New Orleans.

St. Katherine Drexel complained to the pope that blacks and American Indians needed better care. He told her to found an order. She did - Sisters of the Blessed Sacrament for Indian and Colored People. She founded American Indian missions from South Dakota to New Mexico. She founded five schools in Harlem, industrial schools in Philadelphia and throughout the south. She founded Xavior University in New Orleans. After Brown vs. Board of Education, she opened schools to all students.
Mohawk Indian Kateri Tekakwitha, after escaping persecution, spent her life in prayer and penance for the Mohawk nation. Americans should follow her example.

The legacy of these extraordinary ladies is about to be destroyed by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, forcing payment for "contraception." Good Catholics cannot abet others in committing sin, or they sin, too. They will be taxed out of existence, jailed, or both. All that will be left are the proud, disobedient, heretical, habit-less women, whom Pope Benedict chastised for the sake of their immortal souls.

Illeen Reninger, Front Royal


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Proud, disobedient,heretical? Ridiculus! The only thing these couragous "habitless"women are guilty of is the ability to think for themselves, an atribute that the thoroughly brainwashed Ms. Renninger is incapable of.

"Good Catholics use condoms." www.condoms4life.org.

"Good Catholics cannot abet others in committing sin, or they sin, too . . All that will be left are the proud, disobedient, heretical"

Sounds like you would support the rebirth of the inquisition, or the imposition of something resembling Sharia law. Would you also be willing to burn heretics at the stake to save their immortal souls? Isn't wonderful to know there we have our own brand of homegrown extremists right here in the Valley.

Congratulations, Ms Reniger, for your thoughtful and cogent letter.

Unfortunately, your thoughts will prompt the thoughless and off-point responses as the first two postings demonstrate.

BTW: "Homegrown extremists," Justine? Must you resort to defamtion through silliness?

Why am I not surprised that Mr Flathers who suffers from the same malady as Ms. Renninger would suport the Vatican's discrimination against women while defending it's atrocious mishandling of the pedophile cover up.

Why am I not surprised to see your trademark misconstrues in a pitiful bid to formulate an adult argument, grigelon?

I guess I would rather be a proud, disobedient, heretical, habit-less woman than have some church tell me whether or not I should have birth control.

Birth control is the number one preventer of abortion. You can preach abstinence until you are blue in the face, but given the intrinsic qualities of human nature people are still going to do what they are going to do. If all it took was telling someone not to do something, there would be no need for laws, as there would be no criminals. There would be no accidents and we would all live in a happy world......Coming back to earth, I would rather have control over my own body than allow someone else control. I don't need to be a saint, I will settle for sane and rational.

Catchy slogan regarding birth control, Katybug -- though I know of no study empirically supporting the 'Number 1' rating you assign it.

As to the rest -- and with my feet firmly planted on Planet Earth -- I suggest that you might study-up of what Relativism is, and to what horrible misdeeds such a philosophy engenders.

Mr. Flathers, this will be my one and only direct comment to you, so take it however you like.

My daughter has suffered severely oily skin and hair since elementary school. We tried EVERYTHING. Over the counter, prescriptions, mail order, vitamins and other home remedies, nothing, no relief. I hoped and prayed that when she started her cycle, the balance would even out. But no, not even that worked in her favor as it came painful and irregular. So finally as a last result I took her to the Dr. for birth control and like magic, within a months time her face was clearer, her hair didn't look like it needed washed within a few hours of shower. Birth Control corrected the hormonal imbalance nothing else we tried could/would. It treated the problem at the source. I get to see her walk in the door from school smiling and laughing and not in tears. You have no idea how many days she walked in the bawling her eyes out because of the way other children treated her. No idea how hard it was as a parent to try to keep her chin up and not let the a-holes in this world bring her down. I would fight for her right to smile against any foe. She is not hurting anyone for that smile.

If you want to be irrational and believe that a medication is a sin, go ahead. Thankfully her church is more realistic. If you never get pregnant, you cant have an abortion. If you cant stop humans from being human, then the least you can do is teach them and show them how to be smart and responsible.

Your daughter is fortunate that her physician found a solution.

As to your claim that somehow I have no idea what it's like to be a parent because of your experience: Perhaps you should tone-down the rhetoric. There is nothing "rational" or "responsible" about it.

I have no idea where you get the notion that my beliefs would designate your daughter's particular use of birth control as a "sin," either.

Now would anyone like to focus on VIAGRA? Why is this concern always on women and reproduction rights?

I would gladly pay for birth control than to see all the unwanted pregnancies that plaque us. We all pay for that!

Where did we get the idea that you consider birth control a sin? Perhaps because you characterized Ms. Renniger's assertion that it is indeed a sin as thoughtful and cogent. Perhaps you should be honest and ask Ms. Renninger to tone down the rhetoric. Calling those nuns who have dedicated their lives to the betterment of mankind with love and compassion disobedient and heretical is neither rational or responsible.

Ms. Reninger says, "Good Catholics cannot abet others in committing sin, or they sin too." Seems pretty obvious in that context it is birth control she is talking about. The problem is, that "sin" is a "sin" according to the Catholic Church but not every religion, or those who believe in no religion, consider it a sin. (For that matter, it has been estimated that somewhere around 98% of Catholic women have taken birth control at one time or another in their lives, which suggests to me that they do not believe birth control a sin either.)

Why is it that some people feel they should be the only ones to determine for everyone, and not just themselves, what is and what is not a "sin". True, something like murder is pretty much agreed upon by all beliefs that it is wrong or a sin, but when you talk about birth control, it is a far different story.

United States was doing better than countries such as Cuba, Poland and Estonia in keeping newborn babies alive. Not any more. As other nations improved this key indicator of women's and infants' health, the U.S. lagged, dropping to 41st worldwide in newborn death rates, behind these three countries and 37 more.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/story/2011-10-03/infant-mortality-ranking-US-41st/50647658/1

It is amazing the import that someone like our Roman Catholic Governor makes regarding life.

The legislation was passed unanimously by the Virginia House and Senate and was supported throughout the state by health care providers and patient advocacy organizations, including the ACC's Virginia Chapter and the Virginia chapters of the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Heart Association, before it was vetoed. According to the ACC's Virginia Chapter President Rober Shor, MD, FACC, Gov. MCDONNELL explained that he VETOED THE BILL in order to avoid increasing the size of government in perpetuity. Shor expressed disappointment with McDonnell's initial decision, saying it was a missed opportunity to help protect Virginia infants and had the potential to negatively impact Virginia receiving a federal grant of $1 million that would help address this issue.

After the veto announcement, Shor stressed that an Executive Order could fulfill the same objective as the bill by creating an optimal path toward universal screening of newborns for congenital heart disease. "An Executive Order would put the congenital heart disease screening policy in place without creating any new government bodies or increasing the size of government," he said. "Additionally, the bill does not have a fiscal impact on the state’s budget."

http://www.cardiosource.org/Advocacy/Issues/Prevention-And-Research/Legislative-Policy-Information/VALaw.aspx

And never missing a beat, the Governor's staff ENSURED that all VA papers told us just what a WONDERFUL humanitarian McDonnell is. (What do you think God?)

Now the other story...

First McDonnell insisted that Virginia women contemplating an abortion undergo the internal transvaginal ultrasound which is a VERY invasive procedure. The move distances Republicans and sparked outrage at the Capitol and drew mostly negative national attention. So McDonnell amended his bill; now women are required to receive an abdominal ultrasound before an abortion no matter the stage of the pregnancy.
(And what impact will these procedures have re Virginia's budget, Mr. McDonnell?)

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Host Joe Scarborough said McDonnell’s amendment was a "good move." Then he added, "I just don’t think it’s going to help us with women votes. When my wife -- my conservative, pro-life wife who’s never voted for a Democratic president in her life -- goes, `What in the hell is going on in the Republican Party?’ you know we’re in trouble."
http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2012/apr/13/bob-mcdonnell/mcdonnell-say-bill-requiring-ultrasounds-abortions/


I personally believe that it is a fair assessment that women in their LATER YEARS and do not have to deal with today's life regarding childbearing years, should step back and let the age group impacted by these issues deal with them and depend on them to make the right decisions.

Why is it that these arguments always revolve around unproven harsh dogma and never talk about the claimed authority behind that dogma?


The Hubble space telescope revealed too much truth about reality already and the Dominionist Empire Republicans are afraid that if any more truth is discovered they will lose their political base forever.

Where is God?


The velocity in empty space of electromagnetic waves, including light and radio, is 300,000 kilometers per second. Multiply light travel time in seconds by 300,000 to get distance in kilometers.

DISTANCES AS LIGHT TRAVEL TIME

Earth to moon ............................................. 1 second
Sun to earth ................................................ 8 minutes
Sun to Mars ........................................... 12.5 minutes
Sun to Jupiter ........................................... 40 minutes
Diameter of largest known star ............ 2.55 hours
Sun to Pluto ............................................. 5.5 hours
Solar system diameter (at Pluto) ............ 11 hours
Sun to nearest star .................................... 4 years
Sun to center of galaxy .................... 30,000 years
Diameter of galaxy ......................... 100,000 years
Distance to Andromeda galaxy .... 2 million years
Distance to "edge" of universe ... 15 billion years


Why is it that these arguments always revolve around unproven harsh dogma and never talk about the claimed authority behind that dogma?


The Hubble space telescope revealed too much truth about reality already and the Dominionist Empire Republicans are afraid that if any more truth is discovered they will lose their political base forever.

Where is God?


The velocity in empty space of electromagnetic waves, including light and radio, is 300,000 kilometers per second. Multiply light travel time in seconds by 300,000 to get distance in kilometers.

DISTANCES AS LIGHT TRAVEL TIME

Earth to moon ............................................. 1 second
Sun to earth ................................................ 8 minutes
Sun to Mars ........................................... 12.5 minutes
Sun to Jupiter ........................................... 40 minutes
Diameter of largest known star ............ 2.55 hours
Sun to Pluto ............................................. 5.5 hours
Solar system diameter (at Pluto) ............ 11 hours
Sun to nearest star .................................... 4 years
Sun to center of galaxy .................... 30,000 years
Diameter of galaxy ......................... 100,000 years
Distance to Andromeda galaxy .... 2 million years
Distance to "edge" of universe ... 15 billion years


I cannot believe that any SANE HUMAN BEING can listen to the Church ranting against birth control when they have turned a blind eye to incidents like this. MY GOD! I was SICK when I read it!!!!!!

Father Murphy was a priest at a school for the deaf and dumb in Wisconsin in the mid-70s. Father Murphy was also a child molester and his crimes include the molestation of over 200 children at the school he worked in. Yes, over 200 confirmed cases of sexual abuse on deaf and mute children. These boys eventually grew up into men and despite being unable to talk, they voiced quite clearly the abuses that had been done to them by the priest that was supposed to be guiding them through their daily activities. They used sign language and written affidavits to tell of the rape and torture they were put through by Father Murphy, but their stories went unnoticed. Well, unnoticed isn't entirely the right word, ignored is much more fitting. The letters went directly to Joseph Ratzinger because the local Bishops did not know how to handle such a massive scandal and he was in charge of the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, the organization that was supposed to be preventing and punishing such crimes. Fathers Murphy lived out his life at the home of his mother and died in 1998; he was never defrocked and his relatives buried him in his cassock.

By his own admission, O'Grady is a serial pedophile who during 20 years as a California priest abused at least 25 children, the youngest suspected to be a 9-month-old girl (investigators believe the total number of victims may be even higher). Arrested in 1993, O'Grady copped a plea, served seven years in prison and was deported back to Ireland in 2000. Now he's the subject—and unsettling on-camera star—of director Amy Berg's new documentary, Deliver Us from Evil, which tells O'Grady's shocking tale and suggests that Cardinal Roger Mahony of Los Angeles and others shielded the predator, shuffling him from parish to parish while covering up his crimes. "The Church leadership was far more concerned about the image of the institution than the people being abused," says Father Tom Doyle, an advocate for the victims. "It is inconceivable that these men could say, 'Well, I never really understood that sex between an adult and a child is harmful.'"
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20059810,00.html

The Roman Catholics priests (38 convictions) have been the center of focus in the U.S. and Canada and in the media, but a great many ministers from other denominations have been convicted too: 10 Baptist minister, 3 Pentecostals, 5 Methodists, and two Episcopal priests convicted or pleading guilty to child sexual abuse since 1985. In the 1990s, 70 cases were settled out of court. This cost involved Archdiocese of Boston, Dallas, Santa Fe and Bridgeport, Conn. and many more at a cost of $1 billion dollars or more.


Flathers; Regarding your responding post of 8-2-12, “Chick-Fil-A” thread and now including your post to this thread, “HHS….” where you plainly suggest relativism metaphysics is to blame for Catholicism’s priestly pedophilia.

I closed my previous comment by saying “Religion poisons everything”. Your closing counter argument was “relativism poisons everything” .

Relativism suggests differing societies that set differing standards to control their differing traditions is the perfect exoneration mechanism excusing mans inhumanity to man. The contorted logic of relativism would allow the Pope to favor aborting a fetus with a gay gene.

Joseph Goebbels was excommunicated for marrying a Protestant. As you can plainly see without any need to invoke relativism – Catholics do have their moral standards.

However, nobody has yet been excommunicated for the rape and torture of children, but exposing the offense could get the whistleblower into serious trouble with the church hierarchy. And this is the church that warns us against moral relativism – the same Roman Catholic Church that has been behaving as if, without the opportunity for sex with the underage, its whole ministry would collapse.

You may, if you wish, try to make a case for cultural relativism -- different standards for different societies and traditions -- but the plain fact is that the Prophet Mohammed was betrothed to his favorite wife Aisha when she was six and took her as his wife when she was nine, and this gives an 'empowering' effect to those who like things to be this way and to keep it ‘legal’.

In our new semi-secular and mediocre condition, even the religious will speak with embarrassment of the time when theologians would dispute over futile propositions with fanatical intensity: measuring the length of angels' wings, for example, or debating how many such mythical creatures could dance on the head of a pin. Of course it is horrifying to remember how many people were tortured and killed, and how many sources of knowledge fed to the flames, in bogus arguments over the Trinity, or the Muslim hadith, or the arrival of a false Messiah. But it is better for us not to fall into relativism, or what E. P. Thompson called "the enormous condescension of posterity."

The scholastic obsessives of the Middle Ages were doing the best they could on the basis of hopelessly limited information, ever-present fear of death and judgment, very low life expectancy, and an audience of illiterates. Living in often genuine fear of the consequences of error, they exerted their minds to the fullest extent then possible, and evolved quite impressive systems of logic and the dialectic. It is not the fault of men like Peter Abelard if they had to work with bits and pieces of Aristotle, many of whose writings were lost when the Christian emperor Justinian closed the schools of philosophy, but were preserved in Arabic translation in Baghdad and then retransmitted to a benighted Christian Europe by way of Jewish and Muslim Andalusia. When they got hold of the material and reluctantly conceded that there had been intelligent discussion of ethics and morality before the supposed advent of Jesus, they tried their hardest to square the circle. We have nothing much to learn from what they thought, but a great deal to learn from how they thought.




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