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Letter to the Editor: Chick-fil-A not evil for its political view on gay marriage


The protests we've seen in the news of Chick-fil-A are absolutely ridiculous. Regardless of the stance you may take on the issue, not only do the people in charge of the restaurant have a constitutional right to have their political viewpoint on tradtional heterosexual marriage, but by protesting Chick-fil-A stores and refusing to eat there, you are only hurting the franchise owners who are just trying to do their diligence in running a local small business. Not to mention that the franchise owners just may have very different views than corporate - who knows?
 
Either way, a business should not suffer financially because they have a view. Chick-fil-A is obviously a Christian company. They close on Sundays to observe religious holidays. It isn't breaking news that they have a conservative, Christian outlook on life in the United States, and everyone has their right to free speech under the First Amendment, as well as the freedom of religion, and a right to free enterprise.
 
Chick-fil-A has also held spirit nights during which they donate a portion of the night's profits to local organizations in Winchester and Northern Virginia counties. As you read this, I'm sure you can name a few organizations that have benefited from their generosity.

Go to Chik-fil-A and enjoy a chicken sandwich with the family and show Chick-fil-A that they were there for us, and now we're there for them, and spread the words to your friends and family in the area that Chick-fil-A is not evil for choosing a viewpoint.

Josh Edgar, Martinsburg, W.Va.

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Josh writes: "Either way, a business should not suffer financially because they have a view."

Hey, MASTER JOSH, would you like to try to explain your letter to our estimated one million gay veterans. Chick-fil-A donated a portion of the night's profits to local organizations in Winchester and Northern Virginia counties. Great. How many chickens have died their lives for the good people of this area too? Does Mr. Cathy have a count for them as well? Just asking.


AVER Condemns Chik-Fil-A statements as Un-American

Wednesday, 01 August 2012 18:23
For Immediate Release
August 1, 2012

Contact: AVER National President Danny Ingram averusa@yahoo.com

Atlanta, GA (AUG 1, 2012) - As proud veterans who keep our oath to defend the Constitution of the United States, American Veterans for Equal Rights supports Chik-Fil-A COO Dan Cathy's right to make whatever kind of statement he wishes on his personal beliefs about the nature of marriage as a religious institution. However, AVER upholds as the core American belief the Equal Protection Clause, the statement in the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution which provides that "no state shall ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." Marriage is a legal contract which defines a specific set of legal protections under the law.

The many thousands of American men and women who have given their lives while serving in the United States military took no oath to defend any religious dogma, but to our nation's ideals of equal justice and liberty as clearly defined in the constitution. While Cathy's beliefs may to true to his particular religious faith, they certainly are not true to the United States Constitution, the one and only authority in the our great nation. AVER supports the rights of ALL families to be protected by the law of the land, and that includes same-gender families. Patriots who love liberty have given their lives throughout America's history to share our freedom with others. We do not lock it away for ourselves as if it is a commodity to be hoarded for a few. Shame on Chik-Fil-A. Discrimination is a weakness of the fearful. It is not a virtue, even when disguised as religious belief. And it certainly is not the characteristic of a brave people who shed their blood for "liberty and justice for all."


What Chick-fil-A Could Learn From Marriott
"Marriott nor the hotel chain donated any money to the cause. Instead, he stepped into the drama by publicly reinforcing his company’s commitment to gay rights through domestic partners benefits and services aimed at gay couples."
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-07-26/god-and-gay-marriage-what-chick-fil-a-could-learn-from-marriott


BTW, Mitt WILLARD Romney was named after family friend, hotel magnate J. Willard Marriott,


Why is Chick-fil-A being brought into this? Just because it's CEO made a 'personal statement'. Chick-fil-A didn't make it, did they?
That's what is was. A 'personal' statement.
Chick-fil-A will SERVE anyone, no matter their views, as it should be.
Chick-fil-A is NOT discriminating against ANYONE, are they Jane?
They hire gays, by the way, to work in their stores.

This is an argument about the socialization of homosexuality, not the homosexualization of society. It also demonstrates the spread of conservatism, not radicalism, among gays. Homosexuality is not just a form of sex. It is a form of love, and it deserves our respect for that reason.

Whether you are a creationist like Pat Robertson, or a Catholic like Pat Buchanan, or a materialist believer in 'Natural Law' like Harry Jaffa and others, you can't avoid the salient fact that the Creator, or the Divinity, or Nature, or Evolution, has evidently mandated that there be a certain quite large number of homosexuals.

Homosexuals now have the right to wear the American uniform. In the recent past they had to be prepared to lie to enjoy this right. ” Don't ask, don't tell” was a rule designed for the moral blackmail of homosexuals.

Religious zealots practice their bigotry disguised as their right to have a “political” opinion. Is the right to express a “political” opinion also required to express the superfluous tag line the opinionator is a religious conservative? If not, then why mention it? It is mentioned precisely because religion hates homosexuals and incites other believers to hate. Religions fanatics will deservedly loose this war that promotes hatred of humans not like them.

One would think that because the religious right has so much familiarity with their homosexual priests thickly populating their churches with “brotherly love”, the objection to homosexual marriage would disappear into the same chasm that contains witch burning.

Bishop Eddie Long of the New Birth Missionary Baptist Church in Georgia preaches that Bayard Rustin was a vile sinner who suffered from the curable 'disease' of homosexuality. There is a rule of thumb for such clerics: Set your watch and sit back, and pretty soon they will be found sprawling lustily on the floor of a men's public restroom.

Religion poisons everything.

Great stuff, TGFMMAA...Except,

Gore Vidal, no friend of religion, died this week. He famously claimed that we're all inherently bisexual -- according to the fawning obituary in the NYT.

That would put to lie the great justification for 'Gay Rights.'

Was he a bigot?

BTW: To be an atheist, you have to "believe" that there is no God. You can not "know."

Relativism poisons everything.

"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

"Either way, a business should not suffer financially because they have a view"

Really? It seems boycotts are the choice of weapon among conservatives.

Oreo Cookies - There were calls by some for a boycott.

Betty Crocker - National Organization of Marriage (NOM) has a boycott against the company for their position on the Minnesota Marriage Amendment.

Levis - 1992 Boycott for pulling their support from the Boy Scouts for the Scouts exclusion of gay scouts.

Cheerios/Wheaties - (General Mills) NOM boycott over the Minnesota Marriage Amendment

Walt Disney World - The Florida Family Assn. worked to scare families away during Gay Days, which by the way isn't even officially sanctioned by the company.

Starbucks - Boycott started by NOM.

Proctor/Gamble - Boycott organized by the American Family Assn.

...and not to make this too long. Microsoft, Home Depot, Pepsi, Safeway, Old Navy, Girl Scouts, Macy's, Target, JC Penneys, Walgreens, Ford Motor Co. and The Gap.

All have been subjected to boycotts because of their inclusion of the LGBT community.....

.....and only now you speak out about companies not being boycotted over their views?

Aren't you all glad we can each speak our minds and say what we believe? I sure am. I think we are all allowed to have our opinions and beliefs. I do think it has gone way too far to try to kick Chick-fil-A out of major cities because of theirs or their CEO's. It does seem that there is tolerance for all things - EXCEPT Christians. I believe Chick-fil-A is not discriminating at all, they do not disallow gays to work there or eat there. I feel sure the gays/lesbians are treated with the same respect as the non-gays/lesbian customers coming in to eat. We are all sinners by birth - there is none who is righteous. Christ loved us so much that he died on the cross for everyone's sins that whosoever should believe in Him will not perish but have everlasting life. Mr. Cathy was just stating what he believes which is totally Biblical - God calls homosexuality a sin. Just because there are churches who don't call it that doesn't make it right - God is who God is and we cannot twist the Bible to make it fit our desires. We are all guilty of sin because we are all related to Adam and Eve. That doesn't mean we all fall into the sin of homosexuality but we fall into other sins because we are sinners. The good news is Jesus loved us while we were still sinners and died on the cross for our sins so that we can be FREE of sin's grip and have eternal fellowship with our Savior. I pray that God will strenghten Mr. Cathy and Chick-fil-A and help them to show Christ's love to the gays that are coming in for the kiss-in - God can use all things for His good purposes and I pray He does and believe He will. Something amazing will come out of all of this. In the mean time PRAISE GOD we live in a Country where we can share our beliefs openly without being thrown in jail! Amen for free speech and Amen for FREEDOM in CHRIST.

If memory serves, most of the NOM boycotts you cite were in response to the earlier threats of boycott by the homosexual advocates -- which gave rise to the corporate positions supporting their agenda. No?

It is fair to say that GLADD and LGBT took their corporate advocacy tips straight form the Jesse Jackson Shackdown Playbook.

Ooops, sorry, JackieBlue. I mistyped Shakedown.

John, I'm the wrong person to ask. Ask the news media and publicity seekers, e.g., Sarah Palin. I am merely one of many posters in response to Josh's letter.

Also interesting: On May 16, 1997, Mr. Cathy told members of Georgia State University's International Business Alliance that the company chose South Africa to open a franchise then decided not to do that, saying that rather than take on the frustrations of customer training again, Chick-fil-A has decided that it will let McDonald's Corp. and bigger chains serve as the first-generation fast-food outlets to get people used to the concept. The only problem with Cathy's statement, McDonald's had been in South African since November 11, 1995.

Living in a country who chastises other countries for their 'human rights' policies. isn't it ironic that we become the hypocrites of the world?

"It is mentioned precisely because religion hates homosexuals and incites other believers to hate." Truer words never spoken, TGFMMAA.

Note the number of LGBT hate crimes listed in 1980-1989 vice the other posted years. Could the reason for that be that President Ronald Reagan had an openly gay son and the churches and press adopted a 'hands off" policy regarding the focus of LGBT?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States


Would Chick-fil-A refuse to serve an openly gay customer? I think not.

However, members of the LGBT community remember this:

"Chick-fil-A gave $2 million to seven anti-gay groups in 2010, the most recent year for which figures are available, according to Equality Matters' analysis of its charitable giving."

Do you want YOUR money supporting this cause?

I've been boycotting Chick-fil-a for 10 years because I hate their food, had good tea though. So this snafu really has no bearing on whether I will eat there or not. That said, I agree with Josh. The guy has a right just as much as anyone else to state his feelings and believe whatever he likes. By all accounts franchises hire whom they want and do so, and boycotting hurts those stores as well. What if say a store in a more gay friendly community is boycotted and ends up laying off gay employees. Who gets hurt?
We all have free will, the same argument applied to many others can be applied here. Don't want Chick-fil-a, don't eat there, don't want an abortion don't have one, think birth control is a sin, don't take it, don't like guns, don't buy one.....you follow?

For "me", staging mass boycotts against a group of people based on one mans opinion, is the same effect as the churches trying to force their views on everyone else. Like Ronbo said, "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" Its when you try to force me to follow your thinking we have a problem.

I'm a Christian and I have never been taught to hate homosexuals. Where in the Bible does it say to hate homosexuals? Or maybe you are referring to another religion?

Yes, I would because I support the same beliefs. Would you give your money to a Christian non-profit as an atheist? Probably not and that is your choice and your money. Chick-fil-A believes in heterosexual marriage and so they want to support this stance with their income - I'm all for that.

Jesusfreak, The funding question was addressed to the LGBT community. Your response is a given but thank you.

You stated, "I'm a Christian and I have never been taught to hate homosexuals." Happy that you have had the PROPER religious upbringing. I am ALSO a Christian, baptised in a Southern Baptist church and I too was never taught to hate. Unfortunately, as I previously posted...media attention like this, that powerful CEO, and Palin's photo op, etc. does...

Take a moment to read some of this; if it doesn't make you sick than you are much stronger than I.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States


I wish you'd make-up your mind on the subject of religion, Jane.

In reply to TGFMMAA's sweeping condemnation of religion, you state that "Truer words were never spoken."

In reply to JesusFreak that yours and his religious instruction informed against hate -- though I have detected more than ire in the tone and tenor of your postings about Catholic teaching -- which has nothing to do with hate.

Janie, I browsed the link you sent and it is sad and there are probably church going people who have done some of those. Jesus ate dinner with dreaded tax collectors and prostitutes to let them know he loved them and wanted to them to enter into relationship with him. As they come to know Him adn how much He loves them, that would radically change their lives. Hate the sin but love the sinner. I don't know that media attention causes hate I think it's the evil in our own hearts that stirs up hate. It's good that people can share their views with free speech.

Have you bought any gasoline, lately? If so, some of your money is supporting countries that have homosexuals put to death. Hmm..., wonder if there will be any "kiss-ins" at our local gas stations tomorrow? Probably not, I guess it's easier to boycott a chicken sandwich.

Lets put this Chic-fla controversy in its proper perspective. Everyone has a right to be homophobic and to air those views publicly to their hearts content. That’s not the issue here. The issue is that Chic-fla has donated millions of dollars to organizations that actively lobby States to ban gay marriage. That too is their right. However that opens the door for those of us you disagree with that draconian policy to actively protest with every option at our disposal including boycotts. No big deal as far as I’m concerned. Never liked that stuff anyway.

ops! make that Chic-Fil-A

A phobia (from the Greek: φόβος, Phóbos, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear")

I hate the word "homophobic" when used to describe anyone who disagrees with homosexuality. Moreover it makes me personally less inclined to take anything said after seriously.

I hate onions, but I'm not "onionophobic" I don't run in morbid fear, I buy them, cook them, I'm just not eating them myself.

As long as this is a continued tactic, accusing people who disagree of just being in "fear", it will continue to put people on guard and immediately shut down any rational discussion/understanding had otherwise. Don't agree with bully tactics?? Don't use them!

"When Cathy’s remarks were published on July 19, Chick-fil-A was enjoying a national score of 65, one of the highest in the industry. By July 25, its BrandIndex had plummeted to 39.

(The Bible Belt?) "In the South, Chick-fil-A’s BrandIndex fell from 80 to 44. And the company’s brand was damaged the most in the Northeast, where the score dove from 76 to 35."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/30/chick-fil-a-brand-health-dives-40-percent-after-anti-lgbt-remarks/

I strongly disagree with grigelon and Katybug. I like the food, in particular a Chic-Fil-A breakfast biscuit in the morning. As far as the main debate here, this thing has really taken off. The opinion of mine is that the LBGT folks deserve everything equal as anyone else. It is someones right not to believe that and state they do not believe that but I am here to say that people of that belief are declining. The numbers are everchanging in favor of the LBGT folks but it is going to take more time. As old ignorance dies off and is replaced with a more cultured and informed opinion we should see this. I am the first known to me in my family tree to question the religion I was raised and conclude it was a crock. Most of my family that actively practice the religion still, would say they don't believe in gay marriage. It seems to me to go hand in hand. I believe that the right opinion will win eventually, as long as our quality of life stays well,that is.

@grigelon Thank you for stating it correctly. It's not what Dan Cathy said, or even how he personally donates money (Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, et al donate to liberal institutions all the time). Chick-Fil-A, as a corporation, have donated to anti-gay groups. This, again, is not a crime. It is also not a crime to boycott them for their views.

What I find particularly ironic/hypocritical, is that with all of the hullabaloo about the "boycott" because of what Cathy and Chick-Fil-A said or did, yesterday millions went to Chick-Fil-A explicitly BECAUSE of what he said or did.

Further, I don't recall this much backlash when any of the "Family-oriented" organizations boycotted Oreo, or JC Penney, or Proctor & Gamble, or General Mills, or Pepsico or....you get the point. Think it may have something to do with the amplified echo on RW airwaves?

Okay just so I'm clear, disagree about what? The food quality? That to expect not to be bullied, one shouldn't bully? Or the hypocrisy in demanding religious people accept everyone else's version of what is "moral", while fighting against their same demand of acceptance of what is "moral"? I would no more demand a christian live by my rules than sit back without a fight while they demand I live by theirs.

My mind hasn't changed about religion, Dan. When I read TGFMMAA's post, the thoughts I had were of the Westboro Baptist Church protesting military funerals of fallen gay soldiers, and this past week a minister of church in Mississippi told a couple that he couldn't marry them in the church they frequented because they were black. This was after they had booked their wedding far in advance, invitations sent, program printed and one day before they were to be married. The pastor married them in another church. The reason? Some church members objected and threatened to oust him if he performed the ceremony there. So now I am very confused...did the same God create those people that created the rest of us? Throughout history, look at the cruelty man has bestowed on his fellow man in the name of 'religion'. Bloody Mary for one; Taliban for another.

The good news: According to the FBI, the number of reported hate crimes dropped significantly in 2009 from the previous year to their lowest point since 1994 (15 years), but we still have a long way to go.

"...detected more than ire in the tone and tenor of your postings about Catholic teaching " My husband and I have some very close relatives and friends who are Catholic but, yes. I do believe the Church wishes to operate without any constraints; i.e., Catholic Charities received a total of nearly $2.9 billion from the US government in 2010; its annual revenue was $4.67 billion. As Catholic Charities, in part, became government contractors, the agencies began to serve more non-Catholics and to hire non-Catholics too. They accept Medicare and Medicaid. Entities that use taxpayer funds to operate, in my opinion, need to operate their business using the rule of the land vice the rule of their religion. Priest pedophiles are not listed on our National Sex Offenders Registry as every other sexual predator is and should be. This mentality says (to me), "I'm better than you and, therefore, I do not have to play by YOUR rules." So I ask you, Dan, is that the way our country should go forward?

Well said as always Jane.

My thoughts are that no where in my bible can I find a passage that says "Love one another, except for".
But I can find the one that says "Judge not least you be judged". So I have many gay and lesbian friends and believe that they should be allowed to marry and receive the same benefits of insurance, taxes, etc as a hetrosexaual couple does.

I also believe I have the RIGHT to spend or not spend my funds at any place I want to do so.

user123, Amen.

Just a suggestion to Jane Mackie. The Westboro Baptist Church isn't protesting soldier's funerals because the soldier was gay. In almost all cases they weren't gay. The Westboro church has a more heinous reasoning behind their protests. You may want to do a little more reading on the subject.

Thanks, CCman, I will. Start a thread and we can discuss it...but for now let's stick to Mr. Cathy for Josh as, if he is one in the same as a Wikipedia post, we may be helping him with some of his college studies.


And, Josh, if you are the subject of the Wikipedia post, well done!

Don't think you can/will find any takers to you challenge, Dan.

Just disagreed on food. I thought it was ironic that I like their food but liked your post and Gene's the most on the thread.

Summary
Tax experts — including one who supports Romney’s plan — say the Republican presidential candidate’s promise to cut individual income tax rates without either favoring the wealthy or losing revenue isn’t mathematically possible.

And it’s also the conclusion of an expert from the pro-business Tax Foundation, who states that the Tax Policy Center analysis “correctly identified the Romney plan as a tax cut, at least in static terms, that accrues mainly to high-income earners.”

http://factcheck.org/2012/08/romneys-impossible-tax-promise/


Flathers; Regarding your responding post of 8-2-12:

I closed my previous comment by saying “Religion poisons everything. Your closing counter argument was “relativism poisons everything”.

Relativism suggests differing societies that set differing standards to control their differing traditions is the perfect exoneration mechanism excusing mans inhumanity to man. The contorted logic of relativism would allow the Pope to favor aborting a fetus with a gay gene.

Joseph Goebbels was excommunicated for marrying a Protestant. As you can plainly see without any need to invoke relativism – Catholics do have their moral standards.

However, nobody has yet been excommunicated for the rape and torture of children, but exposing the offense could get the whistleblower into serious trouble with the church hierarchy. And this is the church that warns us against moral relativism – the same Roman Catholic Church that has been behaving as if, without the opportunity for sex with the underage, its whole ministry would collapse.

You may, if you wish, try to make a case for cultural relativism -- different standards for different societies and traditions -- but the plain fact is that the Prophet Mohammed was betrothed to his favorite wife Aisha when she was six and took her as his wife when she was nine, and this gives an 'empowering' effect to those who like things to be this way and to keep it ‘legal’.

In our new semi-secular and mediocre condition, even the religious will speak with embarrassment of the time when theologians would dispute over futile propositions with fanatical intensity: measuring the length of angels' wings, for example, or debating how many such mythical creatures could dance on the head of a pin. Of course it is horrifying to remember how many people were tortured and killed, and how many sources of knowledge fed to the flames, in bogus arguments over the Trinity, or the Muslim hadith, or the arrival of a false Messiah. But it is better for us not to fall into relativism, or what E. P. Thompson called "the enormous condescension of posterity."

The scholastic obsessives of the Middle Ages were doing the best they could on the basis of hopelessly limited information, ever-present fear of death and judgment, very low life expectancy, and an audience of illiterates. Living in often genuine fear of the consequences of error, they exerted their minds to the fullest extent then possible, and evolved quite impressive systems of logic and the dialectic. It is not the fault of men like Peter Abelard if they had to work with bits and pieces of Aristotle, many of whose writings were lost when the Christian emperor Justinian closed the schools of philosophy, but were preserved in Arabic translation in Baghdad and then retransmitted to a benighted Christian Europe by way of Jewish and Muslim Andalusia. When they got hold of the material and reluctantly conceded that there had been intelligent discussion of ethics and morality before the supposed advent of Jesus, they tried their hardest to square the circle. We have nothing much to learn from what they thought, but a great deal to learn from how they thought.



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