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Letter to the Editor: 112th Congress worst in history


Political pundits have, correctly in my opinion, dubbed the 112th Republican-controlled do-nothing Congress as one of the worst in the nation's history. Thomas Mann and Norman Orenstein explain why in their book "It's Even Worse Than It Looks: How the American Constitutional System Collided with the New Politics of Extremism:"

The Republican Party "has become an insurgent outlier - ideologically extreme; contemptuous of the inherited social and economic policy regime; scornful of compromise; unpersuaded by conventional understanding of facts, evidence, and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition. When one party moves this far from the center of American politics, it is extremely difficult to enact policies responsive to the country's most pressing challenges."

In other words, the Republican party has been taken over by the extreme right wing better known as the Tea Party. Note that the Republican Party in the House introduced 6,088 bills ranging from deregulation, dismantling the EPA, repealing Roe vs Wade and the Affordable Care Act which are designed to take us back to the policies of 1920 that led to the Great Depression. Fortunately, most have been tied up in committee or killed by the slim Democratic majority in the Senate. If Romney is elected, these regressive policies will come to fruition.

If we are to rebuild the ever-shrinking middle class and stem the increasing number of Americans falling below the poverty line we must not only reelect Obama but give him a Congress he can work with by not only regaining control of the House but, thanks to the Republican abuse of the filibuster, a solid 60-vote advantage in the Senate.

Gene Rigelon, Front Royal



Full disclosure; Writer is a liberal American blogger and columnist for The Washington Post, a columnist for Bloomberg, and a contributor to MSNBC, formerly an associate editor of The American Prospect political magazine and a political blogger at the same publication. University of California, Los Angeles, from which he graduated in 2005 with a B.A. in political science. Klein is married to Annie Lowrey, an economic policy reporter at The New York Times

Blame who you want. Nothing is going to stop this Obama titanic from sinking!

The Tea Party poisons everything, thanks to their ‘know-nothing’ selfish approach to problem solving. They are so brainwashed they do not understand they are voting against their own best interests.

These proud wearers of shiny tin foil hats keep forgetting more and more about less and less, and now they know nothing about everything.

Let us see if we can identify who just might be regarded as a fully committed member of the Tea Party Tin Foil Hats Marching Band basing our decision solely on the contents of the comments that now follow:

OK, who wants to go first???


Bwaaahhhhh hahahaha

Ok, I'll go 1st....

With all the naysayers about the current congress, what have you to say about the 'progress' of the previous one with the wicked witch of the west in control and the party of the prez? They were successful in stemming the tide of overspending and digging us deeper in debt? Ha!

Sadly, the current form of government this country is being controlled by isn't at all about seeing America as great, but all about cronyism and who's team (D or R) wins! Where's the outrage by john q public? There is none because they anly want to know who the next winner of American Idol is (because the media reports these entertainment events as news instead of reporting real news, regardless of whether you watch and believe CNN, FOX, or any other network)!!!

Wearing my tinfoil hat proudly....

So this is who you want to lead our country?

Romney and Bain....

Romney and two others built Bain Capital on their own...(Remember Obama said if you start a business you didn't do that by yourself, some others helped?)

--Bill Bain (founder of Bain & Company) offered Romney the chance to head a new venture that would invest in companies and apply Bain's consulting techniques to improve operations. Romney and his two partners spent a year raising the $37 million in funds needed to start the new operation. Early investors included members of elite Salvadoran families; they and other wealthy Latin Americans invested $9 million primarily through offshore companies registered in Panama. New employees hired were generally in their twenties and top-ranked graduates from Stanford University or Harvard University, both of which Romney had attended. As CEO, Romney had the final approval say on every deal made.

While Bain Capital was founded by Bain executives, the firm was not an affiliate or a division of Bain & Company but rather a completely separate company. The firm initially gave a cut of its profits to Bain & Company, but Romney later persuaded Bill Bain to give that up.

In July 1992, Bain acquired Ampad; company sales went from $106.7 million in 1992 to $583.9 million, as they added many more companies under Ampad. Ampad's revenue began to decline in 1997 and the company laid off employees and closed production facilities to maintain profitability, filed for bankruptcy in 2001 and the assets were acquired in 2003 by Crescent Investments. Bain's ownership of Ampad, is estimated to have generated more than $100 million in profit for Bain.

In 1994, Bain acquired Totes, a producer of umbrellas and overshoes; three years later, Totes, under Bain’s ownership, acquired Isotoner, a producer of leather gloves.

Bain, together with Thomas H. Lee Partners, acquired Experian, the consumer credit reporting business of TRW, in 1996 for more than $1 billion. The company was sold to Great Universal Stores for $1.7 billion just months after being acquired. GUS plc was a FTSE 100 retailing group based in the United Kingdom. GUS is an abbreviation of Great Universal Stores. (In other words Bain sold the company responsible for our credit ratings to an overseas market.)

Other notable Bain investments included Sealy Corporation (Bain acquired1997; sold in 2004--to another US company after Romney's time), the manufacturer of mattresses; Alliance Laundry Systems (founded in the US 1908; the company had 1,533 employees globally as of early 2012; In January 2005, Teachers' Private Capital, the private equity affiliate of the Ontario Teachers' Pension Plan acquired the majority of the equity interests of Alliance Laundry) Domino's Pizza (1995 Domino's had 1,000 international locations; in 1998 Bain purchased 93% of the company--Bain can hardly take credit for making the company a success) and Artisan Entertainment (Bain acquired in 1997 with an extensive library of R-rated films; Romney was quoted ”I didn’t want to profit from a studio that made R-rated movies.”(sic) By the time Bain Capital sold its interest in Artisan in 1999, it had more than tripled its investment.

Much of the firm's profits was earned from a relatively small number of deals, with Bain Capital's overall success and failure rate being about even.

Romney took a third leave of absence from Bain Capital in February 1999 when he became the head of the Salt Lake Organizing Committee for the 2002 Winter Olympics. The decision caused turmoil at Bain Capital, with a power struggle ensuing. Some partners left and founded the Audax Group and Golden Gate Capital. Other partners threatened to leave, and there was a prospect of eight-figure lawsuits being filed. (So these boys don't play nicely with one another. do they????)

Romney this, Romney that, na..na..na. Can't you people think of anything good to say about your boy Obama. You can't. He is a sinking ship with all you demo-rats scrambling out of the bilge water to the upper decks of humanity to spread your flee bitten black plague of socialism.
Is that enough for you ROFLMAO or do you want more?

"Romney this, Romney that, na..na..na.:

The degree of one's emotion varies inversely with one's knowledge of the facts -- the less you know the hotter you get. ~UNK

OK, lemme see what noise I can contribute…..

During Obama’s Presidency, what have the Republicans done that is noteworthy?
Well,, the House of Representatives voted to repeal the Affordable Care Act on 33 separate occasions. Holding that vote once makes sense. Republicans had promised that much during the 2010 campaign. But, 33 times? If doing the same thing twice and expecting a different result makes you insane, what does doing the same thing 33 times and expecting a different result make you?

Number of Republican bills passed that created a single job? ZERO

So, what, if anything,has Obama accomplished during his Presidency?

· Obama Returned The Executive Branch To Fiscal Responsibility after the Bush Debacle (6 actions)

· Obama Improved the Economy, Preventing a Bush Depression (22 actions)

· Obama Fostered Greater Transparency and Better Government, After the Excesses of the Bush Years (8 actions)

· In The Area of Wall Street Reforms and Consumer Protection (12 actions)

· Obama Ushered Through Many Changes That Enhanced Civil Rights and Anti-Discrimination (16 actions)

· Obama Made Major Improvements in Foreign Relations and American Status Around the World (22 actions)

· Obama Took a More Realistic Approach to “Defense” (12 actions)

· Obama’s Administration Treated Soldiers and Veterans with Respect That Was Missing Previously (11 actions)

· Obama Refocused the Federal Government on Education (10 actions)

· Obama Pushed Through Improvements in National Safety and Security (4 actions – including killing Bin Laden)

· In The Area of Science, Technology and Health Care (23 actions)

· Obama Took Steps to Strengthen the Middle Class and Families, and to Fight Poverty (8 actions)

· Obama Took Concrete Steps to Improve Our Environment and Address Our Energy Needs (28 actions)

But That's Not All Obama has Accomplished:

· Expanded trade agreements to include stricter labor and environmental agreements such as NAFTA.

· Oversaw funding of the design of a new Smithsonian National Museum of African American History, which is scheduled to open on the National Mall in 2015. He protected the funding during the recent budget negotiations.

· Oversaw and passed increased funding for the National Endowment for the Arts.
· Nominated Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan to the Supreme Court. Sotomayor is the first Hispanic Justice in the court’s history, and the women represent only the third and fourth women to serve on the court, out of a total of 112 justices.

· Appointed the most diverse Cabinet in history, including more women than any other incoming president.

· Eliminated federal funding for abstinence-only education, and rescinded the global gag rule.

· Loosened the rules and allowed the 14 states that legalized medical marijuana to regulate themselves without federal interference.

· Signed national service legislation, increasing funding for national service groups, including triple the size of the Americorps program.

· Signed an Executive Order that will speed up deployment of a more comprehensive broadband infrastructure.

· Signed an Executive Order creating jobs immediately by instructing them to reduce the time needed for review and permitting of infrastructure projects.

· Signed a bill that provided $4.3 billion in additional assistance to 9/11 first reponders.

And Did You Know?
Despite the characterizations of some, Obama’s success rate in winning congressional votes on issues was an unprecedented 96.7% for his first year in office. Though he is often cited as superior to Obama, President Lyndon Johnson’s success rate in 1965 was only 93%.

Thanks to the postings by other commentators, all the above information has been brought forward to counter the distortions, deceptions, and mischaracterizations spewed forth by the Tea Party faithful and their Republican handlers.

Lastly, what I find most amusing is the total lack of far right leaning speakers such as Ron and Rand Paul being allowed to address the GOP convention. It seems Romney does not want the Tea Party brand of toxicity to irrevocably poison his chances of winning the Presidency.

And Isn't it GREAT that Rich Santortum will speak at the GOP Convention; wonder what time he will speak 2 pm or 2 am? What role models he and his wife are!

Ms. Garver (aka Mrs. Santorum) broke with her family and her Catholic faith over her relationship with Dr. Tom Allen, who founded Pittsburgh’s first abortion clinic. The two became a couple in 1982, when Ms. Garver was a nursing student in her 20s and Dr. Allen was in his 60s. An obstetrician-gynecologist, HE HAD DELIVERED HER and knew her father professionally. In an interview, Dr. Allen, now 92, said that Ms. Garver rented the basement apartment in the building where he lived and worked, and that they soon became romantically involved. (The Philadelphia City Paper reported on the relationship in 2005.) She joined Dr. Allen in hosting fund-raisers for liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union and for his clinic and expressed strong support for abortion rights, said Herbert Greenberg, a concert violinist and friend of Dr. Allen. Mr. Greenberg’s wife, Mary, a mother of three, sought counseling from Dr. Allen on whether to terminate her fourth pregnancy for health reasons. Mrs. Greenberg said Ms. Garver offered to accompany her for an abortion. “She said, ‘Don’t worry, it’s nothing,’ ” Mrs. Greenberg recalled, adding that she went alone for the procedure. Ms. Garver and Dr. Allen spent six years together, but she left him when she met Mr. Santorum.

When I think of Mrs. Santorum, for some reason I think of Jerry Falwell...."forgive me Lord....."!

“CLAIM: “Despite the characterizations of some, Obama’s success rate in winning congressional votes on issues was an unprecedented 96.7% for his first year in office. Though he is often cited as superior to Obama, President Lyndon Johnson’s success rate in 1965 was only 93%.”
REBUTTAL: This is actually true. The problem for Obama is that he’s claiming the exact opposite. He has claimed over and over again that the reason the economy hasn’t fully recovered is that he hasn’t been able to get anything done because of a “do-nothing Congress.” The facts prove that he was given practically everything he wanted, and this is the end result. So I’ll give the author this one, but it doesn’t exactly bolster the author’s case that Obama isn’t a “disappointment.”
CLAIM: “Through an executive order, he created the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform.”
REBUTTAL: This one is an absolute knee-slapper. Yes. He did create Simpson-Bowles. And then promptly refused to enact even a single recomendation. In fact, the budget that Obama produced afterward was so stupendously irresponsible and wrong-headed, that he couldn’t find a single Democrat to vote for it. The author has to be really desperate to include an extremely high-profile waste taxpayer time and money creating a report that he completely ignored as an “accomplishment.”

LOL – these are funny. Executive orders, appointments of Czars – government spending programs. No other President has had such accomplishments – I am in complete amazement. Just look at #6 Through an executive order, he created the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform – Remember the Bowles-Simpson report everyone is ignoring? http://www.fiscalcommission.gov/sites/fiscalcommission.gov/files/documents/TheMomentofTruth12_1_2010.pdf This plan has six major components - Enact tough discretionary spending caps to force budget discipline in Congress.
Reduce tax rates, broaden the base, simplify the tax code and reduce “tax expenditures”. Reform corporate taxes.
Replace the phantom savings from scheduled Medicare reimbursement costs that will never materialize.
Cut agriculture subsidies and modernize military and civil service retirement systems.
Social security reforms to ensure long-term solvency and reduce poverty.
Reform the budget process.
Ha Ha Ha – yes – such accomplishments – I was laughing so hard I got stuck there.

Romney’s Impossible Tax Promise
Tax experts — including one who supports Romney’s plan — say the Republican presidential candidate’s promise to cut individual income tax rates without either favoring the wealthy or losing revenue isn’t mathematically possible.

I'mdebtfree, Re the cite you posted: http://www.polimerican.com/rebuttal-long-list-president-obamas/

I like to know the sources that are being used to sway my opinion. I research any source I quote re participates, funding, etc. For example, I have never read Media Matters because it is a liberal rag. In trying to research "poliamerican.com", I cannot find anything confirming its authenticity; i.e., nothing referencing it on Wikipedia, BBB, or anywhere. Do you know who/where it originates?

According to you people Obama's regime of Demo-rats can't do any wrong. Surprise! Hitler couldn't have done a better job of wrecking this country more than this bunch of American-hating liars.
I don't know why you people have to write a novel to make your point either. You read one you've read them all. You Demo-rats always use the same playbook like a bunch of hand puppets and squawking parrots.

I agree worst in history...Harry Reid won't vote on or discuss any budgets or bills put forth by the House of Representatives that he doesn't personally like...Perhaps if the leader of the Senate would quit being such a political prat and bring stuff up for a vote things would get done...oh, yeah, but they would help the country and the goal of the current Democrat party is to destroy it to win the election... God help us all with the choices we have. ...the current destroyer in chief and the democrats or Romney, Allen, and Goodlatte (at least for me) ...I wish I didn't have to vote... worst choices ever!!!!

Debt, Notice I did say "love em or hate em". I googled, picked a list and gave an example with plenty to choose from. It would not have made one iota of difference to Teatard as they are simply a troll. Nothing more, nothing less.

It does at various points become tiresome to deal with sheep too lazy to do anything other than take talking points from what those that truly should be called "domestic terrorists".

Over and OVER again people post a UN-factual spiel that is easily dis-proven and linked back to the likes of Glenn Beck, who has even said people that believe him are idiots.

Tbh, I don't believe I have seen anything in commentary or letters to the ed here that has given any example as to why the policies Romney wants will work better than Obama's. All we ever see is hate fueled rants.

How about the source – pleasecuthecrap? Did you ask what that is???? NO!

“people post a UN-factual spiel that is easily dis-proven” “I googled, picked a list and gave an example with plenty to choose from” – Oh, I get it. You’re allowed to google and pick anything and post it and it is easily dis-proven but I’m supposed to site my sources and then am accused of having it come from Glen Beck. I’m learning the hypocrisy here.
I want to see a change from the politics as usual. “In other words, the Republican party has been taken over by the extreme right wing better known as the Tea Party.” That extreme right wing just wants to see the government butt out of manipulating everything, so as far as I’m concerned the less they get done the better.
I love the name calling – “sheep too lazy to do anything”, “Teatard”. Really? The Tea Party movement is an American political movement that advocates strict adherence to the United States Constitution, reducing government spending and taxes, and reduction of the U.S. national debt and federal budget deficit. The movement is generally considered to be conservative, libertarian, and populist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement

@ Teatime: We are all adults here. Why don't you run along and play.

It is really sad how you Democrats can become so self-righteous and upstanding when you start getting a dose of your own language. Trying to make my comments sound juvenile is just another one of your Demo-rat playbook tactics beckrose, and I'm not buying it. Actually, you're giving me ammunition to fight you and you kind of bottom feeders with....Thanks.

Debt, you are twisting what I said to attempt to justify yourself, when at the point didn't even necessarily apply to you personally. Every item listed on that persons blog is something Obama actually did. Whether you or I agree with the action, the success or validity of it is irrelevant to the point that it is an action he actually took.

As for my Glenn Beck comment regarding NVD. Last week there was a story regarding two businesses fighting over land. The very FIRST comment was someone blaming Obama for something else completely irrelevant to the story that was signed 3 presidents and 20 years BEFORE him. Go search out this Obama conspiracy and the trail leads to....Glenn Beck.

Another poster claims Michelle Obama has more staff than any other first lady without any proof, trace the origins of this statement....Glenn Beck

A statement that none of Obama's cabinet has experience, again nothing factual to support this statement, trace the origins....Glenn Beck

Then YOU paraphrase what I said, I said "sheep too lazy to do anything other than take talking points", not too lazy to do anything. Those commenters ARE the sheep too lazy to do anything OTHER THAN TAKE TALKING POINTS. They offered easily dis-proven rants without ANY evidence to support themselves.

Then, you take issue with my smacking a troll on the head, yet you are okay with abuse said troll dishes out as long as you agree? A troll is a troll.

Sigh, The Tea Party. I personally actually liked the idea at its start. Then came the far right take over, and its "strict adherence to the constitution" as long as it follows the far rights interpretation. Then came Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck and conspiracy theories abound. Throw in rallies of people with signs complaining about our "muslin" (cant even spell) president, whom they hate for sitting in a racist christian church for so many years, the monkey pictures and African witch doctor pictures etc etc. So no, I do not take the Tea Party seriously. The supposed original ideals had merit, the results not so much.

Also of note, you did not address at all why Romney's policies will work better than Obama's...

Laaaadies and Gentlemen!!! "Tea Time is a troll", if he were talking it would be just to hear his head roar, since he is typing I assume it's to exercise his fingers He has offered no sources of information so I can only assume he watches "Faux News" the half truth network.


This is exactly what I have been writing about. It's Ok when you bottom feeders call names. Where is you buddy Beckrose, Skidplate. Thought we were suppose to all be adults here. You people are so predictable. Why don't YOU go set under a bridge until you come up with something constructive to say.

Previously I made this statement concerning President Obama’s accomplishments:
“Through an executive order, he created the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform.”

Commentor ‘Imdebtfree’ found minor fault with my comment and unleashed an attack worthy of Tea Party applause, a threshold sometimes met by flickering shiny objects before their eyes.

Here I post the rebuttal to the feeble attack by ‘Imdebtfree’. The full text can be found on the ‘CNNMoney’ website:


The headline reads: President orders debt panel, names chairmen.

The end result of this bipartisan committee effort was total sabotage by the Republican members whose stated single goal was to limit President Obama to one term.

Romney moves to embrace ‘Romneycare’


I think maybe Romney and his people might be goldfish, forgetting each minute what they said in the last minute.

What effect does this have on the 33 symbolic votes in the GOP led house to repeal O'Romneycare wasting 50 million dollars of tax payer money?


Obama Returned The Executive Branch To Fiscal Responsibility After the Bush Debacle

· Within his first week, he signed an Executive Order ordering an audit of government contracts, and combating waste and abuse.

· Created the post of Chief Performance Officer, whose job it is to make operations more efficient to save the federal government money.

· On his first full day, he froze White House salaries.

· He appointed the first Federal Chief Information Officer to oversee federal IT spending.

· He committed to phasing out unnecessary and outdated weapons systems. To that end, he also signed the Democratic-sponsored Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform Act, which attempted to put a stop to waste, fraud and abuse in the defense procurement and contracting system.

· Through an executive order, he created the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform.


Obama Improved the Economy, Preventing a Bush Depression

· Pushed through and signed the Democratic-sponsored American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, otherwise known as “the stimulus package.” The bill passed, even though only three Republicans voted for it. In a major departure from the previous administration, he launched Recovery.gov, a website that allows taxpayers to track spending from the Act.

· The Bush-led Great Recession was costing the economy nearly 800,000 jobs per month by the time President Obama took office. But by the end of his first year, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act created and sustained 2.1 million jobs and stimulated the economy by 3.5%.

· Not only did he complete the massive TARP financial and banking rescue plan, he also leaned on the banks and others, and recovered virtually all of the bailout money.

· He created the Making Home Affordable home refinancing plan.

· Oversaw the creation of more jobs in 2010 alone than Bush did in eight years.

· Along with Democrats, and almost no Republicans, implemented an auto industry rescue plan, and saved as many as 1 million jobs. Many are of the opinion that he saved the entire auto industry, and even the economy of the entire Midwest. This resulted in GM returning to its place as the top car company in the world. Willard Romney, on the other hand, advocated for the entire industry to go belly-up.

· Doubled funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership, which is designed to improve manufacturing efficiency.

· Signed the Democratic-sponsored Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act giving the federal government more tools to investigate and prosecute fraud in every corner of the financial system, and create a bipartisan Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission to investigate the financial fraud that led to the economic meltdown.

· Signed the Democratic-sponsored Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility and Disclosure (CARD) Act, which was designed to protect consumers from unfair and deceptive credit card practices.

· Increased infrastructure spending after years of neglect.

· Signed the Democratic-sponsored and passed Helping Families Save Their Homes Act, expanding on the Making Home Affordable Program to help millions of Americans avoid preventable foreclosures. The bill also provided $2.2 billion to help combat homelessness, and to stabilize the housing market.

· Through the Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act of 2009, he and Congressional Democrats provided tax credits to first-time homebuyers, which helped the U.S. housing market recovery.

· Initiated a $15 billion plan designed to encourage increased lending to small businesses.

· Created business.gov, which allows for online collaboration between small businesses and experts re managing a business. (The program has since merged with SBA.gov.)

· Played a lead role in getting the G-20 Summit to commit to a $1.1 trillion deal to combat the global financial crisis.

· Took steps to improve minority access to capital.

· Signed an Executive Order instructing federal agencies to review all federal regulations and remove any unnecessary and/or burdensome regulations from the books.

· Through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, saved at least 300,000 education jobs, such as teachers, principals, librarians, and counselors that would have otherwise been lost.

· Dismantled the Minerals Management Service, thereby cutting ties between energy companies and the government.

· Along with Congressional Democrats, provided funding to states and the Department of Homeland Security to save thousands of police and firefighter jobs from being cut during the recession.

· Used recovered TARP money to fund programs at local housing finance agencies in California, Florida, Nevada, Arizona and Michigan.

· Crafted an Executive order establishing the President’s Advisory Council on Financial Capability to assist in financial education for all Americans.



President Obama Pushed Through Improvements in National Safety and Security

· Restored federal agencies such as FEMA to the point that they have been able to manage a huge number of natural disasters successfully.

· Authorized Navy SEALS to successfully secure the release of a US captain held by Somali pirates and increased patrols off the Somali coast.

· Has repeatedly beefed up border security.

· Ordered and oversaw the Navy SEALS operation that killed Osama bin Laden.


"How about the source – pleasecuthecrap? Did you ask what that is???? NO!"

I'mdebtfree, I did research that cite. It was rented (NFI) for $8.99 per month, possibly now expired. That said, if you notice, every statement the author listed has a referenced cite; i.e., White House, NYT, Reuters, LA Times, polifact.com, BBC, Time, etc.

Given the level of detail in that article, I was surprised you asked me that question. Ever heard the idiom "the devil is in the detail"?

The article you cited was "Published By Jim On Saturday, February 11th 2012". (NFI) Don't you believe that a 'serious' individual would write an article like that by (1) authenticating it with his name and (2) sourcing his positions?

For example, Jim's article:

CLAIM: “On his first full day, he froze White House salaries.”

REBUTTAL: Not really. He froze the salaries of “senior members of the White House staff.” That’s different than “White House salaries” which is a staff of hundreds. So that amounts to freezing the pay of what, 10 people at most? Not a pay cut, mind you. A freeze. Which just means that his ridiculously highly paid cronies aren’t going to be any more ridiculously highly paid than they already are. THIS is the grand gesture for which he deserves re-election?

factcheck.com: Is a chart claiming to show the “top 20 raises” to White House staffers accurate? It’s misleading. The salary increases for 19 of the 21 employees listed resulted from promotions. Average pay for White House staff actually declined. Aug. 4, 2011

Reply to Bucksnort
Yes Bucksnort, I saw the list the first time it was posted. Again – please tell me who pleasecutthecrap is and why are they are such a reliable source? Second, it is a list of Executive orders, appointments of Czars and government spending programs. Third, it’s not even accurate. Let’s just take accomplishment #1. 1. Within his first week, he signed an Executive Order ordering an audit of government contracts, and combating waste and abuse. http://1.usa.gov/dUvbu5. Did you even look at this? It doesn’t conduct an audit or combat waste and abuse. It has to do with which union or non-union activities can be reimbursed. So if #1 on the list isn’t even truthful how can this be an accomplishment?
But let’s look at accomplishment #12. Along with Democrats, and almost no Republicans, implemented an auto industry rescue plan, and saved as many as 1 million jobs. Many are of the opinion that he saved the entire auto industry, and even the economy of the entire Midwest. This resulted in GM returning to its place as the top car company in the world. – Well, again just this blog author’s opinion – there are others such as the GM bankruptcy favored the UAW. Also the bankruptcy let GM keep past loses to offset future profits and this normally doesn’t happen in bankruptcy, thereby costing the taxpayers more money.
So while you are so busy defending Obama you fail to realize that they are all the same. I’m tired of watching the government pick the winners and losers and funnel taxpayer money to the recipient of their choice. Congress has made each and every bill so complicated that the American people have no idea where the money is going. Most of us of too busy working and do not have the time to figure this out.

"he created the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform...then "couldn't find a single democratic to vote for it."

FYI, history of the inception of the Commission: In January 2010, that bill failed in the Senate by a vote of 53–46, when six Republicans who had co-sponsored it nevertheless voted against it. Thereafter, Obama established the Commission by Executive Order 13531. Former Republican Senator Alan Simpson (R-Wyo.), after his appointment to co-chair the Commission, criticized the former supporters who had voted against the bill, saying that their purpose "was to stick it to the president." (Well, how else can they meet their goal of making Obama a 'one term president'?)

HOWEVER, this BIPARTISAN commission must have some validity, even Romney is sourcing it.

"But, when pressed for specifics, Romney told Schieffer that he will “go through that process with Congress as to which of all the different deductions and exemptions” will be eliminated or reduced. In that interview, he said the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform issued a report in December 2010 that proved it is “mathematically … possible” to reduce tax rates and reduce the deficit.

That’s true — but Romney failed to note that the commission’s illustrative tax-reform proposal “taxes capital gains and dividends as ordinary income” (see footnote on page 29), eliminating a tax break that benefits mostly those with high incomes. But Romney’s tax plan would “[m]aintain current tax rates on interest, dividends, and capital gains,” taking that option off the table."


"It seems Romney does not want the Tea Party brand of toxicity to irrevocably poison his chances of winning the Presidency."

Buck, Oh, were that true but Romney will use the Tea Party (TP) too. Some of his speakers are TP favorites, e.g., Scott and Kasich; Haley was elected with TP support.

Last read noted that Former President George W. Bush and former Vice President Dick Cheney will not be at the convention.

BUT, I love this....In July, Palin complained to Newsweek/Daily Beast about not receiving a convention invitation . “One must remember this isn’t Sadie Hawkins and you don’t invite yourself and a date to the Big Dance,” she said in an e-mail message. Commentator Eleanor Clift said Palin “will be a force at the Republican Convention whether she does it from the floor or from the parking lot.”

Found an interesting blog posting from the Post, right after the 33rd wasteful repeal vote.


It discusses this congress in particular with a few very valid points.

LOL, I didn't notice that I gave the same link as Jane. Truly sorry about that for any silent readers out there. I didn't check Jane's link myself originally due to her consistency in providing fact based information. So again, my apologies for the repeat.


President Obama Fostered Greater Transparency and Better Government, After the Excesses of the Bush Years

· Signed an order banning gifts from lobbyists to anyone in the Executive Branch.

· Signed an order banning anyone from working in an agency they had lobbied in previous years, and put strict limits on lobbyists’ access to the White House.

· Held the first-ever first online town hall from the White House, and took questions from the public.

· Became the first to stream every White House event, live.

· Established a central portal for Americans to find service opportunities.

· Provided the first voluntary disclosure of the White House Visitors Log in history.

· Issued an Executive Order on Presidential Records, which restored the 30-day time frame for former presidents to review records, and eliminated the right for the vice president or family members of former presidents to do the reviews. Provides the public with greater access to historic White House documents, and severely curtails the ability to use executive privilege to shield them.

· Improved aspects of the Freedom of Information Act, and issued new guidelines to make FOIA more open and transparent when processing FOIA requests.



President Obama Added Wall Street Reforms and Improved Consumer Protection

· Ordered 65 executives who took bailout money to cut their own pay until they paid back all bailout money.

· Along with Congressional Democrats, pushed through and got passed Dodd-Frank, one of the largest and most comprehensive Wall Street reforms since the Great Depression.

· Through Dodd-Frank legislation, created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau

· Through Dodd-Frank, the Executive Branch fashioned rules that reduce the influence of speculators in the oil market.

· Fashioned rules so that banks can no longer use YOUR money to invest in high-risk financial instruments that work against their own customers' interests.

· Supported the concept of allowing stockholders to vote on executive compensation.

· Endorsed and supported the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act of 2009 that would close offshore tax avoidance loopholes.

· Negotiated a deal with Swiss banks that now permit the US government to gain access to the records of criminals and tax evaders.

· Signed the American Jobs and Closing Tax Loopholes Act, which closed many of the loopholes that allowed companies to send jobs overseas, and avoid paying US taxes by moving money offshore.

· Established a Consumer Protection Financial Bureau designed to protect consumers from financial sector excesses.

· Oversaw and then signed a Democratic bill constituting the most sweeping food safety legislation since the Great Depression.

· Through the Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act, extended the False Claims Act to combat fraud by companies and individuals using money from the TARP and Stimulus programs.


"I didn't notice that I gave the same link as Jane."

Ah, Katybug, Great minds think alike. :)

OMG! I'mdebtfree, I knew I had to let you know about this asap!

Tea party activist: Evidence Obama was married to Pakistani man

And I just heard that Obama killed Bin Laden because of a lovers quarrel. OMG, OMG, what's this world coming to?!!


President Obama Ushered Through Many Changes That Enhanced Civil Rights and Anti-Discrimination

· Along with Congressional Democrats, advocated for and signed the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, which made it a federal crime to assault anyone based on his or her sexual orientation or gender identity.

· Pushed through, signed and demanded the Pentagon enact a repeal of the discriminatory “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” policy that forced soldiers to lie in order to be eligible to fight for their country, and put our troops at risk by disqualifying many qualified soldiers from helping.

· Extended benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees.

· Appointed more openly gay officials than anyone in history.

· Appointed first openly transgender Cabinet Official in History.

· Changed HUD rules to prohibit gender and sexual orientation-based discrimination in housing

· Changed his mind and publicly expressed support for the right to enter into a same-sex marriage.

· Issued a Presidential Memorandum reaffirming the rights of gay couples to make medical decisions for each other.

· Wrote and signed an Executive Order establishing a White House Council on Women and Girls to ensure that all Cabinet and Cabinet-level agencies evaluate the effect of their policies and programs on women and families.

· Signed the Democratic-sponsored Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which restored basic protections against pay discrimination for women and other workers. This was after the GOP blocked the bill in 2007. Only 5 Republican Senators voted for the bill.

· Expanded funding for the Violence Against Women Act.

· Under his guidance, National Labor Relations Board issued final rules that require all employers to prominently post employees' rights where all employees or prospective employees can see it, including websites and intranets, beginning November 2011.

· Advocated that United Nations adopt a policy supporting gay rights worldwide.

· Issued an order requiring hospitals to allow visitation by same-sex couples.

· Appointed Kareem Dale as the first ever Special Assistant to the President for Disability Policy.

· Helped Democrats in Congress pass and signed the Civil Rights History Act.


Buck Snort, Just a suggestion but if you want people to take your posts seriously, you might try posting with a graphic that is not quite so repulsive.

“It’s so hard to communicate because there are so many moving parts. There’s presentation and there’s interpretation and they’re so dependent on each other...” ― Garth Stein, The Art of Racing in the Rain

It's too bad you Obama supports can't see the big picture. All the sources you provide only convince me of how the goverment is broken. It's not what they are doing, it is how they are doing it. Only a dictator could get away with what this president and congress has done and you people except all this socialist bunk without question and you actually enable them.

Give it a break Buck Snort. We get the message. You're did everything you could do for Obama except give him a big wet kiss.


Obama Made Major Improvements in Foreign Relations and American Status Around the World

· Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any previous president during his first six months in office.

· As he promised, he gave a speech at a major Islamic forum in Cairo early in his administration.

· Helped to restore America's reputation around the world as a global leader that does the "right thing" in world affairs, at least according to the rest of the world.

· Re-established and reinforced our partnership with NATO and other allies on strategic international issues.

· Closed a number of secret detention facilities.

· Improved relations with Middle East countries by appointing special envoys.

· Pushed for military to emphasize development of foreign language skills.

· Offered $400 million to the people living in Gaza, called on both Israel and the Palestinians to stop inciting violence.

· Refused to give Israel the green light to attack Iran over their possible nuclear program, and thus avoid another war that Republicans wanted.

· Worked with Democratic Congress to make donations to Haiti tax deductible in 2009.

· Established a new U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue.

· Issued Executive Order blocking interference and helping to stabilize Somalia.

· Established new, more reasonable policies in our relations with Cuba, such as allowing Cuban-Americans to visit their families and send money to support them.

· Ordered the closure of the prison at Guantanamo Bay. It was Republicans (and, unfortunately, progressive Democrats) who prevented follow through.

· Ordered a review of our detention and interrogation policy, and prohibited the use of torture, or what Bush called "enhanced interrogation." He ordered interrogators to limit their actions to the Army Field manual.

· Ordered all secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere to be closed.

· Released the Bush torture memos.

· On his second day in office, he signed a detailed Executive Order that banned torture, reversed all Bush torture policies, and put the United States in compliance with the Geneva Convention.

· In response to the emerging "Arab Spring," he created a Rapid Response fund, to assist emerging democracies with foreign aid, debt relief, technical assistance and investment packages in order to show that the United States stands with them.

· Passed the Iran Sanctions Act, to prevent war, and to encourage Iran to give up their nuclear program.

· Ended the Iraq War.

· Authorized and oversaw a secret mission by SEAL Team Six to rescue two hostages held by Somali pirates.



12 August 2009 8:31PM
I hope I can correct a misconception I see reflected in many comments here and at the Guardian's related articles.

Yes, the British system is superior to the American system in every respect. But that is irrelevant to the debate in the U.S.

Yes, most Americans are woefully misinformed about the NHS and other healthcare systems. That too is irrelevant.

The conflict in the U.S. over health care reform has nothing to do with the specifics of any proposal or advertising campaign, for or against. Rather, it is a conflict over fundamental values.

Many Americans believe that one of the uses of government (and quasi-governmental entities) is to manage things so that every citizen can live with a basic measure of human dignity - food, clothing, shelter, health care, education. (JM comment: Believe they are called "liberals.")l

And many Americans do not. What you are observing is the mobilization of those Americans who believe that their money should only be spent on things that directly help themselves. They are willing to pay very low taxes for police, firefighters, the military - services they feel they need to protect themselves and their possessions. They are not willing to pay taxes to help someone else -- because its *their* money. They hate that the government spends *their* money on programs they don't use, and the notion of expanding government's role in spending *their* money on other people infuriates them.

This is the "socialism" they rail against. They know that other Americans get sick and die from lack of coverage. They may even feel bad for those people. But they do not see what any of that has to do with them. In their opinion, these people die not because the system is fatally flawed, but because these people failed -- personally failed -- to earn enough money to pay their own way through life. The system, with its inefficiencies and sick logic, is not to blame; the fault lies with the individual.

You may have noticed that the anti-reform contingent is wholly negative about government-run programs like Medicaid (for the very poor), Medicare (for the elderly and disabled), and VA services (veterans), despite evidence that they are largely successful. That's because successful health outcomes (in the US, in the UK, in France, wherever) are not germane to their concerns. They are opposed, in principle, to the government using their tax dollars on anyone -- be they indigent, elderly, disabled, or a wounded veteran -- other than themselves. In their eyes, any such program - and the government that administers it -- is immoral.

To be blunt: a great many of my fellow countrymen believe that if you are not contributing to the growth of the economy, you don't deserve to live. If you die because you don't have enough money to pay for treatment, its your own fault; you should have earned more money. And under no circumstances, no matter how pitiful, should the government use *their* money to help another citizen.

This is the dark side of the so-called pioneer mentality. Its every man for himself.

Regardless, those who are in favor of reform with continue to assail these people with facts, call them stupid when they don't change their minds, and attack individuals and groups for misinforming them. Granted, many of these people are very stupid, and woefully misinformed, but that's beside the point. At a base level, they have fundamentally different social values. And no one is talking about that.

According to one Republican it is the Republican party that is causing congress to be broken, and they are doing it deliberately and he tells why. Here is a link to his article which is well worth the read. http://www.alternet.org/story/152305/confessions_of_a_gop_operative_who_left_%22the_cult%22:_3_things_everyone_must_know_about_the_lunatic-filled_republican_party?paging=off

You are right Mackie. Who wouldn't want to live in your world, but life isn't a zero-sum game.

Michael, Thanks for the interesting read.

"Ever since Republicans captured the majority in a number of state legislatures last November, they have systematically attempted to make it more difficult to vote: by onerous voter ID requirements (in Wisconsin, Republicans have legislated photo IDs while simultaneously shutting Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) offices in Democratic constituencies while at the same time lengthening the hours of operation of DMV offices in GOP constituencies); by narrowing registration periods; and by residency requirements that may disenfranchise university students."


According to VA DMV website, DMW mobile units are being dispatched to areas where the DMV buildings are more than (I believe I read) 35 or more miles away. HOWEVER, DMV mobile units are being dispatched to Strasburg and several local areas on numerous occasions; we have not one but two DMVs within, actually much less, than 35 miles away. Shenandoah Country is a Republican stronghold, so McDonnell is utilizing the DMV mobiles units as means of voter registration.


DMV Mobile Unit at a Gun Show???? (a Sat/Sun)
Virginia Outdoor Sportsman Show??? (a Sat/Sun)
Dale City Gun Show (a Sat/Sun)

AND on a Saturday and Sunday? Overtime? Our VA taxpayer funds at work.

Jane, you should contact the free paper, I believe they are more apt to investigative reporting, and if the proof is in the pudding so to speak, the public should be made fully aware.

I tried to stay out of this, but I have to take Jane Mackie to task, for her love of all things European. I wonder if she's lived under the NHS ...I have. I wonder if she's ever experienced NHS healthcare. ...I have. I wonder if she's ever had a loved one taken of life support because the hospital needed a bed after being put in a coma by an infection caught after having an unnecessary traciotomy (sp) because the nurses didn't like his snoring after having successful brain surgery that had been put off six times because of emergencies that took precedence over his scheduled appointment...I know someone who has. I wonder if she ever had a friend who experienced the NHS (a British citizen) and had to wait seven years to get a tumor removed from her thyroid...just before she was almost suffocating to death. ...I do. I also experienced a nine month wait to get my wrist checked and taken care of when I had tendonitis on the NHS. The NHS also doesn't cover dental care so you still have to pay for that (very expensive). Oh, and by the way England is the size of one of our small to medium sized states and it's underwater financially. You cannot compare any system (except perhaps the EU) with America because each country is minute compared to the US. ...and before any of the trolls on this site try and say I'm just a mouth piece for Limbaugh or Beck, or Hannity, etc. I did not hear this from them...I actually have lived in England and I actually have real life experience with the above information. It is true.
I wouldn't mind helping the poor if my tax money went to really help the poor but it doesn't. It goes to help people who don't need it. If the truely needy in this country got the help they needed we wouldn't need to raise taxes. I know personally people on food stamps that don't need them, welfare that doesn't need it, and more. If the government got out of the pracitice of running our lives people wouldn't be going bankrupt to pay for medical care. If the government would simply let people buy health insurance like they buy auto or home insurance it would be way cheaper...and while you may love Obama and his HHS people, there will come a day when another Bush or the like come in and they get to decide your health care. I'd rather depend on the freedom to buy health insurance or not have it then trust the government to decide. Just because people--and I'll say ME--want to keep their hard earned money and give it as they see fit and spend it as they see fit doesn't mean they're somehow heartless or don't care for the poor. I prefer to give my money to charities that I believe in. I don't want to pay for someone's birth control. I don't want to pay for someone else's kid to go to college when I can't send mine and they can't have access to government grants that WE paid for. I don't want to pay for other people's cell phones or cable or cigarettes. And since we pay WAY more in taxes than we ever get back, my charity goes to Africa and to help orphans over there. Poverty in America doesn't compare to the rest of the world. I will not apologize for wanting to actually keep the money that my husband earns for our family. I do not feel guilty for not wanting to pay more taxes. I hope Obama loses huge and if not, well, I'll accept the poverty we'll all be living in. God help us all if people like you get your way. Europe is dying...and America will die if we keep on the road to socialism (government taking money and doling out to those they feel worthy.)


President Obama Took Steps to Strengthen the Middle Class and Families, and to Fight Poverty

· Worked to provide affordable, high-quality childcare to working families.

· Cracked down on companies that were previously denying sick pay, vacation and health insurance, and Social Security and Medicare tax payments through abuse of the employee classification of independent contractor.

· Through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, cut taxes for 95% of America's working families.

· Tax rates for average working families are the lowest since 1950.

· Extended and fully funded the patch for the Alternative Minimum Tax for 10 years.

· Extended discounted COBRA health coverage for the unemployed from 9 months to 15 months, and he’s extended unemployment benefits several times.

· Provided a $20 billion increase for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (Food Stamps).

· Signed an Executive Order that established the White House Office of Urban Affairs.


BREAKING NEWS: Romney to announce his choice for running mate ca 8:00 am in front of the U.S.S. Wisconsin -- which just happens to be the home state of potential VP Paul Ryan, the chairman of the House Budget Committee. (What about McDonnell? Boy! That would be embarrassing!))

I wonder if we will see a banner draped on the ship that says "Mission Accomplished"?

Romney chose a military background; interesting; neither he nor any one of his five sons have had any military service.

Tagg Romney is a Managing Partner at Solamere Capital. Matt Romney works as Vice President of Strategy and Investments at Excel Realty Holdings.
Josh Romney is a Real Estate Developer and owner of Romney Ventures; previously he worked as an Acquisition Analyst for Intercontinental Real Estate.
Ben Romney is a Medical Student. Craig is an Advertising Music Producer.

Okay, McDonnell or Ryan -- which one of these two fellas will be walking away with his head down and tail between his legs in the morning. Only Romney could have screwed this one up!

The Tea Party came into existence because of threats to cut Medicare and Social Security benefits.

Choosing Ryan (lugging his own unique baggage of promises that do not add up) as his ‘cherry on the top’ Veep candidate, Romney(already way behind in the polls) has hung a boat anchor around his neck and cement galoshes on his feet.

The Republican Party has burned the house down and is now prepared to complain about the missing house.

Turn out the lights, the party’s over.



Did you notice how many times McDonnell used the word 'delighted'? Poor guy!

Jane, please keep up the good work! Maybe some of these facts will sink in to the heads of those that refuse to see facts as they are and not as facts as they are spun!

One irrefutable truth is that Mitt Romney did just announce as next PRESIDENT of the United States....Paul Ryan! I would say he caught his faux pas, but more than likely it was pointed out for him and he backtracked and corrected his misstatement to VICE President of the United States totally blundering the intro of his running mate! I bet Paul is wondering just what he has gotten himself into!

"Bonnie Borman – and 170 other men and women in Freeport,Illinois – there is a brutal twist to the torture. Borman, 52, and the other workers of a soon-to-be-shuttered car parts plant are personally training the Chinese workers who will replace them. It’s a surreal experience, they say. For months they have watched their plant being dismantled and shipped to China, piece by piece, as they show teams of Chinese workers how to do the jobs they have dedicated their lives to. “It’s not easy to get up in the morning, training them to do your job so that you can be made unemployed,” said Borman, pictured, a mother of three who has worked for 23 years at the Sensata auto sensors plant."

I would think that Bain, given that their former CEO is running for president of the U.S., would hold off on doing something like this...at least until AFTER the elections. Pretty arrogant!

Mrs. Bishop you are a very confusing sort. At times you put forth a very cognizant commentary, other times like Tea~ you have simply offered a rhetorical bash straight from a talking head. This particular time was borderline.
You gave us a supposed personal account of horror from socialized medicine. Fact or Fiction matters not. The point is are there horror stories in socialized medicine? Yes. Are there horror stories from people unable to receive care at all, or the full necessary care due to lack of insurance? Yes. (Reminds readers of the 24 year old that visited an ER for a toothache, and then DIED after having to choose which prescription to fill, root cause was dental, actual death= lack of insurance, google it)

So the question becomes, are we a nation of people that values each individual person, or are we a nation that values and individual's worth based on net worth? Do we allow people to die simply for the crime of being poor? For me that's a no, each voter has to decide that for themselves. In this matter, the GOP has proven themselves to be the "death panels" they have tried so desperately to pass along the conspiracy of. By deciding only the "net worthy" should be allowed to have health care, they have become the death panel.

You say you know people that receive welfare that don't need it. I, not someone I know, "I" know personally what it is like to lose everything you own, what you have worked years for after being denied assistance when left on my own with 3 children. My 11 odd an hour income was too much for four people. Unable to work, pay childcare and pay the bills, "I" had to send my children to grandparents for a year, lose our home, our car, everything but our clothes. Lucky for me and them we had family, many people are not as lucky, I'm realistic enough to realize that. I'm reality based enough to understand that not everyone's life is exactly the same as mine. Is there abuse of our social safety nets? Absolutely. Does that abuse only apply to the poorest of our country? Absolutely NOT. Google up Romney's head of the Audit committee while at Marriott and the millions of dollars they were scheming the U.S. government out of. Where is the outrage at millions wasted on 33 absolutely POINTLESS votes to overturn the healthcare act? I am outraged that we live in a society that some people would demonize the poor for crimes they revere the most financially able for.

You say you give your money to Africa because their poverty is different than ours. Seriously ask yourself why is it different? What prevents American children from being the commercials in Europe of starving, flies in their eyes children? What prevents the poorest of our country from taking up arms, and ravaging the country with violence rarely seen on our soil? What prevents America from being a country filled with whole towns of homes made from whatever scraps can be found, and sleeping on dirt floors? Only our social programs. Charity sure can't cover it, I've said before call Salvation Army and ask them how many people they have to turn away now. If a country with no social safety nets is so much better a way to live, why are there even any Republicans here and not living in Africa or any other place of the sort?

Don't confuse what I'm saying, I'm in no way advocating a "nanny state". I no more want the government wiping each individual tush than I want it delving in my bedroom or telling me its a free market to give tax payer money to billion dollar profiting oil companies. But there is a grim reality to things. Do we provide birth control or do we pay for 18 years of welfare? No matter how selfish some are America will not just let children starve and die in our streets, so its B.C. or care? Which is most cost effective? Do we give our poorest a chance at a college degree to better themselves and make a life, or do we keep the poor? A few truly poor may get the opportunities to change their life without it, but most will remain poor bearing in another generation of poor. Which is more cost effective?

There is always going to be that middle ground of people/families that are almost getting the shaft from both ends. We should work to fix our systems, so that the poor get the help they need without abusers of the system, and so that the top isn't getting benefits no one else can get just because they happen to have more money without the abusers of the system. Fix it so that the ones stuck in the middle aren't only doing their part for the people that literally cant, but stuck also paying the part for people that are more than able. We should be fighting to not only ensure that people that only paid 1k in federal taxes aren't getting a 3k return, we should be fighting to make sure that if the tax rate is 18% then the Mitt's of our country shouldn't get to pay 14%, hide money and tax dodge just because they have more money, money doesn't make those people any better than the ones the government is giving free returns to. Fix it for EVERYONE.
And that is what it boils down to.....which platform works to keep the game fair for all players, and which works to allow those that already have the most skills to cheat to win a game they were already winning?

Really articulate, honest comment and so very true, Katybug, in what you said in response to Kim Bishop's comments.

Kim Bishop gives us "anecdotal evidence" of cases illustrating how awful the national healthcare system is in Britian that she claims she knows of personally. (However, a couple of the stories sound like there is more to the story than what meets the eye. All I am saying is perhaps she did not get the entire story.) I can give her story after story of anecdotal evidence from the other side that I personally know of for a fact. Stories such as the 35 year old man WORKING full time as a truck driver but had no health insurance, avoided going to a doctor because he could not afford it, so ignored symptoms of bladder cancer. By the time his symptoms were so bad he could no longer ignore it, the surgery and hospital care he required cost far, far more than it would have had he been seen earlier. (Not to mention the very poor prognosis which could have been much better had he been treated sooner.) Or the man----(he too WORKED but could not get health insurance)---who had been experiencing back pain and increasing numbness down his one leg but did not go to a doctor because he said he could not afford the doctor's fee, and by the time his symptoms were too far advanced to ignore, he had to have emergency surgery, sustained permanent neurologic damage of the affected leg, and again, his bill was a whole lot more than if he was seen when first having problems. Or the WORKING woman who could not afford regular mammograms because she did not have health insurance and ended up with Stage 4 breast cancer that could have been treated more easily and with a better prognosis if picked up earlier. I could go on and on and on. And people wonder why medical costs have skyrocketed with the answer of course being Kim Bishop and those of us with medical insurance have been paying for those without it for years. And paying big-time because people without health insurance wait until it is almost too late to be treated when the cost is much higher, or they will make the expensive ER care their "family doctor" for things that do not need to be treated through an ER but they can't afford to go to a doctor. And those of us with insurance wonder why, when we request an itemized bill from our hospital stay, there are outrageous prices like $5.00 for one aspirin.

For all those on the right who hate "Obamacare", they have no credible explanation for how to solve this problem that has been costing all of us and is not sustainable. The Republicans had years in power and never attempted to address the rising health care costs and the problems of the uninsured.

I could also give Kim Bishop story after story of how for years the insurance companies have been dictating the patient's care to the doctor so every time a right-winger tries the scare tactic of how Obamacare "will get in between the patient and the doctor", I have to laugh. I have seen personally breast cancer patients after a radical mastectomy and auxillary lymph node disection being discarged from the hospital to go home after only hours following surgery because that is what the insurance company had decided was all they would cover "and mastectomy patients did not", as the insurance company determined, "did not need any more than day surgery". The hospital I worked in at the time, and many others followed suit, responded to that brutal insurance requirement by opening what they called post-op "23 hour units". The patient went to this unit after surgery and was able to be watched closely for complications, treated for pain and nausea with stronger meds than they would have had at home, and stayed over night since the hospital made sure they were discharged the next morning less than 24 hours after admission. That is how they "skirted around" what the insurance was dictating according to what they would cover but God help the poor woman who perhaps had family unwilling or unable to give her care at home after that 23 hours. Again, I could just go on and on and on with equally disturbing stories of how insurance companies have been making health care decisons not to mention how they have dropped people from insurance coverage or have refused coverage because of pre-existing conditions.

Are there those people needing government help who do "play the system" as Mrs. Bishop seems to suggest? Sure---there will always be some, but that certainly does not describe everyone who needs help. There are many WORKING poor in this country who just need a helping hand to keep their heads above water but if you listen to some on the right, "it is their own fault because they are not trying hard enough and just want a hand-out".

For all the outrage from Kim Bishop and others of the extreme right, in their complaints of having to give their tax money to people I get the impression they feel "have their hands out and do not want to work for anything", (this of course according to their opinion), I wonder that they are not outraged equally by those "playing the system" from the "other side". You know, the very wealthy ones (like Mr. Romney) paying less in taxes than many middle class families because of their off-shore accounts and tax loopholes to avoid taxes they normally would be paying. All legal, but among people who can easily afford to pay, is it right? Is it patriotic? Not to me. But again, I don't see the outrage from the right with that. All I can see is the outrage against working people who can barely keep their heads above water

Thank you, Katybug. Thank you song98.

I will defer my usual rant and wait for Mrs. Bishop’s reply to your thoughtful comments. Epiphany is possible, but I m doubtful.

You commented: "I don't want to pay for someone else's kid to go to college when I can't send mine ... I will not apologize for wanting to actually keep the money that my husband earns for our family." Not wishing to state the obvious however, if you cannot afford to send your children to college on the your husband salary, perhaps you might consider getting a job yourself for the college money. I know a woman who did that and put two of her children in college.

Interesting...I have attempted to post in response to Ms Bishop's input as well but NVD is. I guess, "reviewing:"

More than two web links within your comment will prevent immediate posting.

Thanks, Whooppee, I still have much to learn about engaging in this field.

"I know personally people on food stamps that don't need them, welfare that doesn't need it, and more."

So, Kim, I trust that you have performed your obligation as a good citizen and reported these frauds?

Regrettably, there WILL ALWAYS be people who will abuse/defraud any system whether they be the Ken Lays/Tom Petters/Dennis Kozlowskis of the world or opportunist of the moment as the people you mentioned. As I previously posted in one of these threads, I too was in the position of being eligible for food stamps but would not take them as I didn't want some child attacking my children with talk of being 'welfare kids' in our small community so I worked two jobs. I, thank God, do not know anyone on welfare now; but I have been in line at food chains and also witnessed people paying for items with food stamps. Many years ago, I was introduced to a woman and later someone whispered that she was on welfare. Based on appearance, my thoughts of her were less than complimentary; that woman died five and a half months later from a debilitating disease. Then my thoughts of her were...what a gracious human being, carrying herself so well with what she was enduring. How sad that a fleeting acquaintance has to die before they 'earn' our respect, huh?

Fortunately, I have experienced some wonderful trips to England. Having a relative who lived in London for nine years, I have had the opportunity to observe their NHS on one occasion only and was impressed. It is too bad that we only hear the "war" stories re medical care; e.g., read in the news all about the US doctor who left a sponge the size of a washcloth in his patient (a Miami Herald article) and a 19-year-old who died as a result of a tube removed incorrectly or a 4 year old who died (both Virginia residents btw) http://98000reasons.org/realstories/story3.html. I laid on an ER bed from 3pm until after mid-night (nine hours) a few years ago waiting to be admitted to the cardiac care unit, I finally asked the ER staff if they were waiting for someone to die to free up a room; I was admitted about 15-20 minutes later. While waiting I saw a young girl in acute stomach distress be asked to get off her ER bed and sit in a chair in order to free the bed for another potential heart attack patient. Stuff happens! 'Obamacare' should relieve some of the pressure from these congested ERs.

I have lived overseas and have seen some extremes regarding medical care; e.g., in Burma I visited some friends in their local hospital. In the Philippines, my daughter was treated in a local hospital but I would not sign the surgery permit, insisting if more treatment was required, we would return to the U.S.

You stated, "If the government got out of the practice of running our lives people wouldn't be going bankrupt to pay for medical care." Oh, Kim, I cannot understand anyone making a statement like this!!! Okay, say we are two 29 year olds (stretching, I know) in perfect health; you are very smart and purchased health insurance. I did not (stupid me). We are returning home from viewing a delightful comedy, laughing about it, having a great time when whamm...we collided with another vehicle but it wasn't his fault (I never cared much for your driving btw). We are admitted to the hospital, mend, and released. Your bill (37,135.78) is covered by insurance. My (passenger) bill is 76,133.08 but I don't have the money to pay it. Now what happens? I sign a promissory note but, as I can't work for several months, lose my job and can't pay; the hospital has to write the bill off. The end result is that the hospital makes up the loss by increasing their charges and now the next time you or your family go to the hospital, YOU are helping to pay off my bill. Thank you. Or we could try another scenario: Since the accident is YOUR fault, I sue you for some un-Godly amount, win; I wind up with a new car, a new house, money for a few nice trips, etc. Thank you.

Katybug and Song98, Read your posts this morning. WOW! You ladies got right to the heart of the problems in this country.

Thirty-two of the thirty-three developed nations have universal health care, with the United States being the lone exception until the implementation of ACA. Some of these countries have had universal health dating as far back as the beginning of the 20th century so this begs the question, if these countries have not benefited from having national health care, how has it survived for so long with five new countries electing to implement universal heath care since 1990; i.e., Iceland, Hong Kong, Singapore, Switzerlamd, and Israel)? http://truecostblog.com/2009/08/09/countries-with-universal-healthcare-by-date/

Can anyone answer my question?

Romney: "When our health care costs are completely out of control. Do you realize what health care spending is as a percentage of the GDP in Israel? 8 percent. You spend 8 percent of GDP on health care. And you’re a pretty healthy nation.” Presently, U.S. care is 18 percent of GDP. (DOI: Forbes 7/30/2012)

Conclusion. International comparisons establish that the most important factors in cancer survival are early diagnosis, time to treatment and access to the most effective drugs. Some uninsured cancer patients in the United States encounter problems with timely treatment and access, but a far larger proportion of cancer patients in Europe face these troubles. No country on the globe does as good a job overall as the United States. Thus, the U.S. government should focus on ensuring that all cancer patients receive timely care, rather than radically overhauling the current system.
• In the United States, 85 percent of women aged 25 to 64 years have regular PAP smears, compared with 58 percent in Great Britain.
• The same is true for mammograms; in the United States, 84 percent of women aged 50 to 64 years get them regularly — a higher percentage than in Australia, Canada or New Zealand, and far higher than the 63 percent of British women.
“It’s one of the most oft-repeated justifications for socialized medicine: Americans spend more money than other developed countries on health care, but don’t live as long. If we would just hop on the European health-care bandwagon, we’d live longer and healthier lives. The only problem is it’s not true.”
“If you really want to measure health outcomes, the best way to do it is at the point of medical intervention. If you have a heart attack, how long do you live in the U.S. vs. another country? If you’re diagnosed with breast cancer? In 2008, a group of investigators conducted a worldwide study of cancer survival rates, called CONCORD. They looked at 5-year survival rates for breast cancer, colon and rectal cancer, and prostate cancer. I compiled their data for the U.S., Canada, Australia, Japan, and western Europe. Guess who came out number one? U-S-A! U-S-A! What’s just as interesting is that Japan, the country that tops the overall life expectancy tables, finished in the middle of the pack on cancer survival”
“Car accidents and homicides don’t tell us much about health care quality. Another point worth making is that people die for other reasons than health. For example, people die because of car accidents and violent crime. A few years back, Robert Ohsfeldt of Texas A&M and John Schneider of the University of Iowa asked the obvious question: what happens if you remove deaths from fatal injuries from the life expectancy tables? Among the 29 members of the OECD, the U.S. vaults from 19th place to…you guessed it…first. Japan, on the same adjustment, drops from first to ninth”

I'mdebtfree, the only thing that your quotes from ncpa regarding U.S. women getting more PAP smears and mammograms than women in Britian says is even if someone is not paying for a screening exam, they still have to take the initiative and time to get the exam.

I also would take with a HUGE grain of salt, anything that ncpa.org (National Center for Policy Analysis) says. On their web page they (laughingly) call themselves "non-partisan" but then they say "Our goal is to develop and promote private, free market alternatives to government regulation and control---". With further checking, I found out that NCPA is " a free market think-tank primarily funded by private foundations established by wealthy conservative business families and billionairs, including Charles and David Koch". So that pretty much says it all and tells me whatever they say, they have an agenda.

As far as your other quotes from the Forbes article: It was written by a contributor who from the outset was opposed to "Obamacare". Anyway, no one ever said that we have bad medical care in this country. For the most part our medical care is excellent----but it just has not been there for everyone, only those lucky enough to have health insurance. Earlier I gave the stories of people that I knew about personally---not hearsay, not what I heard from someone else---but people whose faces I will never forget and stories I personally can attest to. All those people I mentioned (and I could tell you many more stories from all the years in my profession) were working people but could not get health insurance and stated that they "could not afford to go to a doctor" so therefore ignored their symptoms and sadly suffered the consequences.

Katybug, like I said, I don't have a problem paying taxes to help those in need...it is why I send money to foreign countries, but I am tired of the "rich" being tarred and feathered. Most rich people in this country give and give and give...the ones who give the least to charity are actually people like Obama, and Biden, and democrats...that's the facts. I know people who truly need help and I do not have a problem with them getting a safety net, but I am sick to death of the falsehoods put forth that there isn't enough...there is more than enough in the system if people would be required to deserved what they get, but I see far more misuse of the welfare system than I see it helping.

Putting people on the dole who can work and provide is bad. It is leading our country into a hole that it will not be able to climb out of. I don't think anything can be done to fix it. I think America is doomed. Too many people want things without working for them. Too many people hate those who have done well, simply because they have more than them. I don't know how to get back to a place where we care about our neighbors. ...and I am tired of being called names and called un loveing and un caring simply because I would prefer ANYONE but government helping the poor.

and the reason places like Africa and the 3rd world are so much worse off then us is because their governments dole out everything to the people. Remember Live Aid in the 1980's? all the food we sent to Ethiopia sat on the docks and rotted. I will never believe big centralized government is the answer. A small constitutional government, like ours was, is the best way to help those in need. Bless you Katybug. I appreciate your honesty and polite discourse.

Jane, I could get a job, yes, and take it from another person that really needs it. I don't think so. I expect my kids to pay for their own college if they want to go, it's called responsible parenting. ...but it makes me angry that some young people can get full paid grants to college and if my kids wanted to they would not be able to... how is that "fair" to use a favorite term of the president's? ...

There are very few people that I hate, that truly does take too much energy. I do however hate dishonesty. I realize that with politics its almost the territory. Both sides are guilty, but in my view the more far out claims come from the right.

Case in point: When the Dem. office opened in F.R. there was a man standing there with a sign with something along the lines of Obamacare forcing college girls to get sterilized. The free paper ran a story on it. Not one, not one single local GOP representative had the honesty to say its just not true. That hey, we don't like Obamacare, but that level of lying is not what we stand for.

I don't hate or envy anyone that has done better than myself. In all honesty, I feel sadness for those that only see their life. Only think about what effects them. It may seem contrite, but I really don't have any desire to hoard wealth so to speak. I've already lost darn near every material thing I had to my name. But I recovered, rebuilt and moved on. I learned alot about myself and my own will in the meantime.

Nor am I saying the safety nets we now have in place aren't enough. I'm saying don't take them away from those that need it because of a few bad apples. Don't starve people, or push people right on the edge of needing that help into that stage, just to benefit those that don't.

In my mind I see our country split into 4 dinner tables.
A- Has bread and water (the lower class)
B- Has just enough food to fill them up.(middle)
C- Has food falling off and rotting on the floor. (upper)
D- Is empty and needs food (the government)

You have Romney saying we need to take more from table B, and the bread from table A than what we are taking from C, to feed table D. AND that is just wrong. You are going to wind up sending more from the middle to the lower, and flat out starving some in the lower, and for what?? Just so the upper can have more rotting on the floor....if that makes any sense at all. I don't like all of Obama's answers but I dislike Romney's more.

Romney, although a religious quack, is successful. He is a winner in the game of money. Obama is financially retarded. Most Chicago guys would be. So is his sideshow that acompanies him. Our biggest problem is $ and Romney is 20 times better with $. It, I geuss, is what you care about most in this election. I care about my money and the countries money. And to Kim... all we agree on is $. I do not like the fact that a lady at my work has a kid that gets free health care and I pay for mine. The incentive for being $ positive is getting lesser. That is not Obama's fault but he has not helped.

Katybug, If the Democrats have there way of running the country your dinner tables A, B, and C will all be going to dinner table D, and you and I will be at dinner table A.

So you think, Kim Bishop, that "the ones who give the least to charity are actually people like Obama, Biden, and democrats". I know the right-wing-leaning news outlets have gleefully been reporting that "conservatives give more than liberals to charities". "But these liberal vs. conservative charity studies", as one person I read pointed out, "have a basic flaw: they include religious giving as a charity". How much in this religious giving actually goes to "charity"? (Many say not the majority). And how much is actually going toward other things the church deems needed, like fixing a roof on the church or a raise to the pastor (or even new furniture in the pastor's church-provided house as one pastor I know was happy to receive). Mr. Romney, as a Mormon, must give a required amount to his church (I think 10%) and with his wealth, the bottom line of his giving "to charity" would certainly appear large.

Anyway, for all the charities that I give to, which are all U.S. based as I believe in helping those fellow Americans first (and if I have any left over then to those in other countries), they have never asked my affiliation. I have never once, from any charity I give to and there are many, been asked if I am liberal, conservative, Republican or Democrat. Not once. So I can't see how any study of this issue could be totally accurate in determining "who gives more".

I would never say that all conservatives are cold-hearted. I call many of them misguided. In my opinion they are fed this line about how all people who have a need, have not tried to work themselves and just want a "hand-out" and that "social programs lead to a nanny state". Yes, of course people being people there will always be some who try to take advantage of the system. Just as there are some of those in the upper financial brackets who can well afford their tax bill but will hide their money off-shore and use all kinds of tax loopholes thereby lowering the amount of revenue to the government. As someone who had worked long, hard hours for years and years and has made lots of sacrifices, I don't want a "nanny state" or for someone capable of helping themselves to just sit back and do nothing but there is a big difference between that and providing just the basic safety-net programs and programs to help people help themselves. I strongly supported the welfare requirement in the 1990's that had the work requirement. But today what the right wing in the Republican party wants is to cut drastically the social programs that help the middle class and the poor while AT THE SAME TIME fight for giving even more tax advantages to those who have done very well including corporations that have seen record profits. The Republicans/right-wing want all the sacrifice from the middle class and poor but not from the wealthy. That is where the right-wing absolutely loses me and loses their argument BIG as far as I am concerned. I am not for cutting school lunch programs for a poor child in order to give more money in the pocket of someone easily able to afford to eat at the finest restaurant.

And by the way, Kim, the reason Africa and the third world are worse off than us is for many reasons but " the governments dole out everything to the people" is not the reason they are in the state they are in. It is the other way around. Even from what I saw myself working in the Philippines, it was just the opposite. It was the belief, "everyone is on their own"----it was "I have mine and the heck with those who don't" belief. No such thing as their government investing in decent education for all which could have helped people better their lives, and no such thing as programs to give a helping hand to people to help themselves----nothing like that. Yes, there were charities that tried to help the poor, but you need more than private charities, you need a government that cares about all of it's citizens. When I asked someone who was well-to-do in that country why more is not done to encourage a larger middle class and help people get out of poverty, he said to me that those who were the wealthy and educated people of his country, like him, controlled the politics and liked things the way it was---THEY lived very well and as far as the rest---- well, too bad but "that is life". That is exactly what he said to me. And I see that same attitude among some like the very conservative and billionair Koch brothers (who are pulling the strings behind the screen) and others of their kind in this country. Question is, how many of the American people will be fooled. I really don't know because big money can and does create smoke and mirrors and can hide the truth.

I left out the lady I work with I have watched work the system. Worker's comp. Slipping everytime she goes on vacation. Hitting the tax lottery every January. Husband now gets disabilty after playing a charade for 2yrs about brain seizures. Now since he has got disability and would like to get his license back, his medicine is finally working and he majically has not had a brain seizure in 5 months. I am sick of people who are genarally considered losers getting a free ride on our dime. This has become commonplace with workers who make a lower wage. They go get couple operations to score disability. The memo has got out to bottom end humans that you can get paid for early retirement by scoring disability. It is really popular in WV where there is more losers in trailers. Our WV employees seem to be the best system workers/abusers. Somebody please spend our money wiser and quit piling up debt.

I don't see it that way. But that's personal perspective for you. The fact remains that Romney is running on a platform that we are still living in the failure of. For anyone that bothers to research the data, we already know tax cuts for the "richest" don't trickle past their bank accounts. Historical data on taxes shows that America has thrived with the top bracket paying MUCH higher taxes. We know that deregulating the banks to do as they will, broke the housing market and our economy. We know that sending us off to wars we cant fund, breaks our economy. We ARE living the proof.

This letter was about our congress. No matter how you look at it, to borrow the rhetoric the GOP has indeed held America hostage. Each section of government has a function to serve. The House decided that doing everything they could to ensure that Obama accomplished nothing was more important than doing their job, and in turn the Senate had to spend their time fighting the B.S. from the House. Our economy has suffered the price. Even to the point of when America's credit was downgraded, the REPUBLICANS are specifically named in the downgrade report. The Republicans decided playing circle jerk was more important than doing their elected jobs.

That's where we are election day. We either want people that serve our country, or we want people that serve themselves.

and Hotel, if all you say is true about your co-worker, its exactly what I said about not showing the same disdain for Romney's criminal activity. You want him because he knows how to scheme, cheat the system, and take your money to sit in his bank. Nice hypocrisy there.

Kim: "the reason places like Africa and the 3rd world are so much worse off then us is because their governments dole out everything to the people."

You are kidding, right? Have you actually read any history of Africa?

SOMALIA has been mired in conflict since 1991 when longtime dictator Siad Barre was overthrown by warlords who then turned on each other. Currently, Islamist militants are attempting to overthrow a weak U.N.-backed government. The al-Qaida-linked al-Shabab militia, the most dangerous militant group in the country, has exacerbated the drought crisis saying that it will prevent international aid workers from operating in the territories it controls in southern Somalia. The group denies a famine is taking place, disputing the U.N.'s view that tens of thousands of people have already died. The renewed threat from al-Shabab means only a handful of agencies will be able to respond to the hunger crisis in militant-controlled areas of southern Somalia. And the largest provider of food aid — the U.N. World Food Program — isn't among those being allowed inside. (Associated Press | AP – Sun, Jul 24, 2011)

Most UGANDANS have to work 2 or 3 jobs simply to survive. With an average GDP per capita of US$332 in 1998, Uganda is one of the poorest countries in the world. The vast majority of Ugandans are farmers on small plots of land which are used for subsistence agriculture or for the cultivation of cash crops such as coffee and tea. However, most of this land is owned by landlords such as chiefs or government functionaries who seldom reinvest in the productive capacity of the village (REPEAT most of this land is owned by landlords such as chiefs or government functionaries who seldom reinvest in the productive capacity of the village) as they can simply rely on rents. This disparity of the ownership of the means of production is reflected by vast inequalities in the distribution of income. The poorest 20 percent of the country controls only 6.6 percent of the wealth, whereas the richest 20 percent benefit from 46.1 percent. In fact, 69 percent of the population lives on less than US$1 a day and the majority of this limited income (63 percent) is spent on food. As a result, in a country whose government spends only 1.9 percent of its GDP on health, the majority of Ugandan citizens struggle to acquire even the most basic health care. There are only 4 doctors and 28 nurses per 100,000 people. Nonetheless, the government has helped to reduce the infant mortality rate from 110 deaths per 1,000 births in 1970 to 84 by 1998.

Poverty in Africa
Over $500 billion (U.S.) has been sent to African nations in the form of direct aid.[10][11] The consensus is that the money has had little long term effect. In addition, most African nations have owed substantial sums of money. However, a large percentage of the money was either invested in weapons (money that was spent back in developed nations, and provided little or no benefit to the native population) or was directly misappropriated by corrupt governments like making nuclear weapons. As such, many newly democratic nations in Africa are saddled with debt run up by totalitarian regimes. Large debts usually result in little being spent on social services, such as education, pensions, or medical care. In addition, most of the debt currently owed (approximately $321 billion (U.S.) in 1996[12]) represents only the interest portion on the debt, and far exceeds the amounts that were actually borrowed (although this is true of large debts in developed nations as well). Most African nations are pushing for debt relief, as they are effectively unable to maintain payments on debt without extending the debt payments indefinitely. However, most plans to forgive debt affect only the smallest nations, and large debtor nations, like Nigeria, are often excluded from such plans. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_Africa)

Hotel: "Obama is financially retarded."

Here’s an approximated summary of where the Obamas hold their wealth:
Cash: $660,000
Mutual funds/ETFs: $625,000
Pension: $90,000
Treasuries: $3.4 million
Real estate: $900,000
TOTAL: $5.7 million

Of course, he could have been $1.4 million richer (Peace Prize money); however, he gave that all to charity.

"Mr. Romney's tax-return data showed that he and his wife, Ann, gave about $2.9 million to charity in 2010, and more than $4 million in 2011. That worked out to 13.8% of total income in 2010 and more than 19% in 2011. Those are the only years of returns Mr. Romney's campaign made available.

Mr. Obama and his wife, Michelle, gave about 13.6% of their income to charity in 2010, the latest year available. That was up from 5.8% in 2009. The Obamas gave between 4.6% and 6.2% of their income to charity between 2005 and 2008. Between 2000 and 2004, before the president rose to national prominence, the Obamas gave between 0.4 and 1.4%.

The Obamas have typically paid a significantly higher tax rate than the Romneys: 25.2% in 2010 and 31.8% in 2009. That compares with the Romneys' rate of about 14% for 2010 and just over 15% for 2011.

Combining total federal income tax and charitable giving puts the two men on a close-to-equal footing. The Romneys paid 27.6% of their income to the government or to charity in 2010 and 34.6% in 2011. The Obamas paid 31.8% in 2009 and 38.8% in 2010.

Internal Revenue Service data show the average taxpayer with adjusted gross income of more than $10 million gave about 6% to charity in 2009. The average contribution from such taxpayers, who include some very-high-income individuals, was $1.75 million. The average charitable contribution for all households with itemized deductions—45.7 million households in all—was 3.8%." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204624204577181460356241588.html


President Obama Took Steps to Strengthen the Middle Class and Families, and to Fight Poverty

· Worked to provide affordable, high-quality childcare to working families.

· Cracked down on companies that were previously denying sick pay, vacation and health insurance, and Social Security and Medicare tax payments through abuse of the employee classification of independent contractor.

· Through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, cut taxes for 95% of America's working families.

· Tax rates for average working families are the lowest since 1950.

· Extended and fully funded the patch for the Alternative Minimum Tax for 10 years.

· Extended discounted COBRA health coverage for the unemployed from 9 months to 15 months, and he’s extended unemployment benefits several times.

· Provided a $20 billion increase for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (Food Stamps).

· Signed an Executive Order that established the White House Office of Urban Affairs.


Hotel..."his medicine is finally working and he majically has not had a brain seizure in 5 months."

So, you want to trade places with this man so you can live the easy life?

"Mitt Romney amassed a fortune now worth an estimated $230 million during his career with Bain Capital. He would be wealthier still had he not set aside a trust for his five children in 1995, worth $100 million today. Of the bunch, the following are Mitt Romney’s top 10 favorite philanthropic targets in terms of total dollars awarded by the Romney's Tyler Foundation since 2000:

"Charitable contributions:

1. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints: $4,781,000
(Personally, I don't count tithing (obligation) as 'charitable' contributions.)

2. Brigham Young University: $525,000
3. The United Way: $177,000
4. Right to Play : $111,500

Right To Play is an international humanitarian organization that uses sport and play programs to improve health, develop life skills, and foster peace for children and communities in some of the most disadvantaged areas of the world

5. The George W. Bush Library: $100,000
6. Operation Kids : $85,000

Operation Kids is a public 501(c) nonprofit organization founded in 1999 in Salt Lake City, Utah. Operation Kids provides customized philanthropic services at no cost to donors seeking to give money to children's organizations.

7. Center For Treatment of Pediatric MS: $75,000
8. Harvard Business School: $70,000
9. City Year : $65,000

City Year is an education-focused nonprofit organization that partners with high need public schools to provide full-time targeted student interventions.

10. Deseret International : $50,000

BBB: " This charitable organization either has not responded to written BBB requests for information or has declined to be evaluated in relation to BBB Standards for Charity Accountability. Charity participation in BBB review is voluntary. However, without the requested information, it is not possible to determine whether this charity adheres to all of the BBB Standards for Charity Accountability."
Weber State University: $50,000"
(Forbes 5/17/2012 )

I find it odd, given the fact that his wife has had/does have MS that he donated $25,000 more to the Bush Library! Her MS must weigh heavily on their mind!

"The Obamas donated $329,100 to charity plus the full amount of the $1.4 million he won for receiving the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009."

This site lists the breakdown of the organizations that received charitable donations from the Obama's in 2009: http://bucks.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/15/all-about-the-obamas-charitable-giving/

Comparing Obama's budget to Romney's is not doable. The Romney's are in a financial bracket that they can have anything in the world that money can buy, to include an garage elevator. All their children are grown with excellent careers and would not have to work a day for the rest of their lives. The Obama's are on step one of that climb to the 'ivory tower' and have two children not yet in their teens.

BTW, what percent of you income have you given for the last few years?

I've held my tongue, TeaTime, but your ignorance is only becoming more apparent with each poorly written utterance. Just like your grammar, you don't know that you don't know.

"The dumbing down of America" is at hand. . . and you are a perfect example of the mentality the Republican party is counting on.

Diana, I welcome your arrival to the dark side. I quote:

Diana replied to comment from TeaTime | August 17, 2012 1:29 PM

“I won't be nasty and get personal like ROFLMAO likes to do.”

Actually, you were half right-half wrong. I don’t like to get nasty and personal….. I LOVE to get nasty and personal.

And there is no easier target, no lower laying fruit than the Tin Foil Hat Tea Party Wing Nut we all know and love as “TeaTime”.

Bon appetite and may the force be with you!

P.S. I praise you, Katybug, song98, Buck Snort, Tstar, Jane Mackie, Michael Cash, for the well researched comments you guys have provided. Please, I implore you to keep up this good work.

As for me, my job is poking the Tin Foil Hat Tea Party in the eyes with sharp sticks.


Sorry to disapoint you guys. Without me who would you expect to get the truth from. You kids are going to take this medicine whether you like or not. This is the only way to cure your liberal virus infection.

Absolutely not! I started at the bottom many many years ago and worked my way up and enjoy a very good wage that aids an enjoyable life. I would rather keep hard at it than to trade it for a free and sedentary life such as his. His wants in life and motivation is low. That is fine but we should not have to pay for it. I am 99.5% sure after following his whole story it is a crock he should not get 1100.00 per month just sit on the couch and burn pot( all info supplied by wife, no speculation).


Response to the Obama financials provided.

Obama's financials look good but should he have had a lot more and lost it due to bad ideas/investments or was that just with our money?


I don't know if Romney has done anything criminal. I don't know if the people that milk the system has done anything criminal. I do think that if there is wrongdoing happening at any level by manipulation, it should be corrected so it would be harder to near impossible to penetrate. Then hold the attempted wrongdoers( who does that remind everybody of, sorry) criminally responsible. Now to address the hipocracy claim. If I vote for Romney I am not voting for the reason you say I am being hypocritical. I would vote for him hoping he could do better job managing our country's money. Just a thought, could you also call me a hypocrite if I vote for Romney even though I am pro equality and non-religious?

One more thing before I go... I posted this long ago and will post again. I want more choices! How about 3 legit contenders. Or 4 or 6. When it is time to buy a car we have something that fits each one of our needs. We go to pick the leader of the free world, car analogy time, and it's either a Gremlin or a Dodge International. Can't stand to do the politics to long but will check back later. I imagine someone may set me straight.

No surprise here-this is not new. For the past several Presidential administrations, the political parties are playing the game of not passing anything that is supported by the "OTHER" party! This power game is not going to be stopped by the politicians themselves. USA today reported last week that Americans are not planning on voting in November because they are fed up with the political games and because they do not like their choices to vote for. This has been brought on by Americans that are eligible to vote, but don't do so. We have an amazing freedom to vote for our politicians! Now they thoroughly abuse the power we've given them but sadly, voters are not using their power to go out and vote out all incumbants! If you want change-make it happen!! I really hope that for the sake of America for the future that our lackadaisical population gets up and VOTES!

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