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Letter to the Editor: Lies become truth

Republican party supporters Illeen Reninger and Troy Dean both seem to be following the Republican mantra, first put into practice by Karl Marx in 1862.

"Repeat the lie enough times, and it becomes the truth."

Ray Olivas, Front Royal


GOPAC is a Republican (GOP) state and local political training organization.
The "GOPAC memo", called "Language: A Key Mechanism of Control", was written and distributed to members of the Republican Party by Gingrich in 1994. It contained a list of "contrasting words" and "optimistic positive governing words" that Gingrich recommended for use in describing Democrats and Republicans, respectively. For example, words to use against opponents include decay, failure (fail), collapse(ing), deeper, crisis, urgent(cy), destructive, destroy, sick, pathetic, lie, liberal, they/them, unionized bureaucracy, "compassion" is not enough, betray, consequences, limit(s), shallow, traitors, sensationalists; words to use in defining a candidate's own campaign and vision included share, change, opportunity, legacy, challenge, control, truth, moral, courage, reform, prosperity, crusade, movement, children, family, debate, compete, active(ly), we/us/our, candid(ly), humane, pristine, provide.
The cover page of the memo said: "The words in that paper are tested language from a recent series of focus groups where we actually tested ideas and language

Freedom Works is a conservative non-profit organization, active with the Tea Party, based in WDC which runs boot camps for supporters of Republican candidates, training volunteers, assisting in campaigns, and encouraging them to mobilize, interacting with both fellow citizens and their political representatives. Among their required reading for new members is a book by Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals. Posted on their website from Rules for Radicals is....

The rules:

1. Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.
2. Never go outside the expertise of your people.
3. Whenever possible go outside the expertise of your enemy.
4. Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.
5. Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.
6. A good tactic is one your people enjoy.
7. A tactic that drags on too long is a drag.
8. Keep the pressure on. Never let up.
9. The threat is usually more terrifying than the threat itself.’
10. If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.
11. The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.
12. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it and polarize it.

You've got #s 2; 5; 6; 8; 10; 12 down pat...You really need to work on #s 7 & 11.

Holy Cow, Jane! You must be a Radical.


BTW: The required reading is for Freedom Works members to understand the techniques of your Fellow Travelers. Alinsky is a godfather of the extreme Left ... and 'mechanism of control' means controlling the message.

You should really work on your analytical skills -- which are sorely lacking. Cut 'n paste is no substitute for research of thought.

DF, the conservatives cannot even come up with their own training material. Sad, isn't it? I believe the 'liberals' used those words in a positive, helpful way; not in the 'mind-controlling' way it is used by your party.

I re-posted above material not for YOU but perhaps open the eyes of some new readers to this site.

No, not a radial but wish to follow in the foot steps of our Lord who set some good examples for all of us to follow.,,something about treating others as you wish to be treated...now how does that go, DF?

"(S)omething about treating others as you wish to be treated...now how does that go, DF?"

You've well-demonstrated with each post that it isn't going very well for you, Jane.

You really gotta work on that self-awareness thingy.

BTW: They just halted work on the Greek Column Assembly Redux (for "weather concerns.")

From an unrealistic venue with 74,000 capacity to 14,000. They should be able to seat that many.

A cryin' shame for them. Modern Dems love their grandiose imagery -- just as their autocratic soul mates at Nuremburg had.

What a waste of planning, time and money -- pretty much how they govern.

I guess when everything else fails fall back on the Good Book, that's always a good way to sneak out of the room.

Touche' Tea Time!

I'm conceding the point on behalf of Jane, as she has no such capacity...(She has cognative issues.)

Speaking of lies...

On the wires today:

"Israel’s ambassador to the U.S. fired back at Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz on Tuesday after she reportedly claimed the diplomat called Republicans’ policies "dangerous" to Israel -- comments the DNC chief says were "misrepresented."

"I categorically deny that I ever characterized Republican policies as harmful to Israel,” Ambassador Michael Oren said in a written statement. “Bipartisan support is a paramount national interest for Israel, and we have great friends on both sides of the aisle."

...Except Dagger Debbie, I suppose.

Jane, you just keep doing what you are doing, anyone with even a single functioning brain cell should be able to see the blather for what it is. Keep posting facts and information easily found by anyone willing to spend a few minutes not to just be another sheep in the field. Just ignore those who can not argue against reality so instead choose to attack you personally, they aren't worth it!


Classic Doublespeak.

Orwell had your way of thinking in mind, Katybug.

Looks like lioness Katybug is giving up the hunt for easier prey. I am sure there is a couple BEWILDEREDbeest out there for their PRIDE to feast on.

Hard to defend the once-great political party's descent into authoritarian thinking and demagoguery.

Consider this new gem from USA Today:

"The chairman of the South Carolina Democratic Party today compared Nikki Haley, the state's Republican governor, to Hitler mistress Eva Braun

Noting that Republicans are holding opposition press briefings in a basement studio at the NASCAR Hall of Fame, Dick Harpootlian told a South Carolina delegation breakfast today: "She was down in the bunker a la Eva Braun."

That's the third time this week that a Democrat state chairman diminished the horrors of Nazism with such casual trivialization.

How can any thinking person take these fools seriously?

Mr. Flathers states, "How can any thinking person take these fools seriously?".

I draw the inference from this statement that if we take seriously the opinions of various people Mr. Flathers classifies as 'fools', we are not thinking people.

This is a good example of the "No True Scotsman" debating tactic that follows the form:
No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge.
McTavish puts sugar on his porridge
Therefore, McTavish is not a Scotsman

When confronted by the false logic of this assertion, the argument is modified to become:

No true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge.

Therefore, when questioned about the truthfulness of his above statement, Mr. Flathers will modify the statement to the new format:

"No true thinking person can take these fools seriously".

This form of 'gobbledygook' argument is a foundation used by many far-right extremists to cast doubt on the patriotism of their far-left counterparts.

By extension, anyone raising his own voice against the nexus and system of Republican deception today must count on being defamed and misrepresented by Mr. Flathers or his ideological Tea Party sidekicks.

Like many fanatical preachers, Mr. Flathers has become especially disgusting in exuding an almost silly personality while railing from dawn to dusk about the silly personalities of others.

The pot calls the kettle black.

Flathers criticism @September 5, 2012 4:39 PM :
" That's the third time this week that a Democrat state chairman diminished the horrors of Nazism with such casual trivialization."

Look above to Flathers earlier comment posted on this very forum this morning @:September 5, 2012 10:56 AM

"Modern Dems love their grandiose imagery -- just as their autocratic soul mates at Nuremburg had."

I do not think Flathers is a Nazi. He is a solid, homegrown McCarthyite with proto-fascist tendencies. He does not think that the Jews killed his Christ, but he has the stout patrolman's suspicion that they may not have told us everything they know.

If I were a Catholic, I would do my best to get people to forget about Josef Goebbels. Like many Nazi leaders, he started off as a practicing Catholic and was the only one of them to be excommunicated -- not because of his Nazi crimes but because he had married a woman who was not only Protestant but divorced: a double indemnity in the eyes of Rome.

TGFMMAA: Do you also thank God that he made you an idiot?

If I were a Liberal, I'd do my best to mix-and-match bits of history to confuse the issue. (Himmler wanted to supplant both Catholicism and Lutheranism with Aryan mysticsim. So what?)

Liberalism leads to authoritarianism because it prizes the state over the individual.

Hence, we get that lovely sentiment: "The government is the only thing that we all belong to."

Didn't call you a fool, TGFMMAA, I called-out the three Dem leaders dropping the N-bomb fools.

But your two postings do raise the subject of your foolishness -- as they are not at all responsive to the post.

Ah, Katybug, thanks much for the support but I truly enjoy DF and his compadres political inanities. They provide my NVD entertainment.

BTW, Didn't Clinton knock it out of the ball park.

"Didn't Clinton knock it out of the ball park" Yea, Jane. As dog returns to his vomit.

Sorry about that. "Didn't Clinton knock it out of the ball park"? Yea Jane, as a dog returning to his vomit.

Speaking of entertainment value........

Clang, clang, clang!

While TeaTime reminds us of his extensive expertise with pig snouts and dog vomit, Flathers reminds us of the stereotypical and nefarious tag-team manager in a WWF 'professional' wrestling match, inciting the crowd into pandemonium... lots of finger pointing, lots of chest puffing puffery, lots of thin air fist-shaking, lots of phony accusations sure to rouse pimply faced anger, absolutely no substance to all the surreptitious motions, the feints, the bluffs, the accusations, the insinuations.

What's next? Props, of course. How soon before the props appear... metal folding chairs flying and ketchup flowing, all accompanied by non-alcohol induced staggering.

Who needs reality TV when Dan Flathers is in town?

Queue Larry, Moe, and Curly, the Tea Party is after your jobs.

It's a long time until election day. Plenty of time remaining for Tea Party spokesperson DF to create new sucker punch mischief, brrrruuuuutther.

"You can only see others as clearly as you see yourself." ~~ Unknown

Yes, Clinton "knocked it out of the ballpark" and then some! He is a great speaker and many people still appreciate him. I LOVED the way he stood up there and dismantled each and every lie that this pathetic Republican Party has been repeating over and over.

The Republicans will not be "bothered" with fact-checking in their campaign. Holy smokes! There it is out of their own mouth, as Clinton pointed out.

If this party could not rely on lazy minds; they would have nothing but the filthy rich to back them. They are counting on IGNORANCE and there's no lack of it here: this is the problem, in a nutshell.

Jane, you and Katybug, make visiting here worthwhile. I have heard nothing from these usual zombies. Let's hope there are people out there who still bother to understand truth from lies. Can't wait for the debates but tonight President Obama will speak. ; ]

You are too simple minded to know that YOU ARE THE PREY!

What will a Romney win do for you?????????? Please tell us? Jump in there anytime Flathers. TELL US WHY WE NEED TO VOTE FOR ROMNEY.

Maybe just removing a black man (who happens to be president) from the White House is your main objective.

DF: "Alinsky is a godfather of the extreme Left"

You are absolutely right. William F. Buckley said the author was "very close to being an organizational genius."

Therefore, you guys must NOT be applying his wisdom as he intended because there appears to be a huge divide in you party between the moderates and tea party.

And thank you for acknowledging that the Republican Party has no original thoughts of their own that they have adopt the talents of liberal Alinsky's book 'Rules for Radicals' as a guide. It is unfortunate for our great country, however, that your party doesn't understand that book was written to unite not to divide.

Even GOOD ideas can be used for the WRONG purposes.


"Liberalism leads to authoritarianism because it prizes the state over the individual." Flathers, you've got to have succeeded at kissing your elbow to believe that statement, when it is the conservatives of this country who just used the state over and over to tell women they are not in control of their bodies, but the state is. Obviously, you did not go to a liberal arts school where one is taught to question everything, especially authoritarians, and is given the tools with which to do so. Liberals are more likely to prize cooperation over individualism, but I wouldn't try to put liberals in a box and seal the lid if I were you. You might find that you missed one or two who will let the others out and mess up your party.

Admittedly a little over the top in some areas, still arguably one of the best speeches Clinton has given. In my opinion*, one of the best parts was the man who signed Welfare Reform himself calling out the admitted lie from the R/R camp, as well as the straight forward gaping holes seniors are to expect under the R/R plan.

Its been two great nights, considering recent local topics, I especially enjoyed the Nun.

Agree katybug, that Clinton gave one great speech.

I too really liked the speech from Sister Simone Campbell, the director of the Catholic group that serves in poor communities and the organizer of "Nuns on the Bus" which has traveled the U.S. to warn of the Ryan budget. The Ryan budget, endorsed by Romney, according to the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and this group of nuns "failed a basic moral test" and "would harm families living in poverty".

Nuns on a Bus have a web site.


These Catholic sisters are sincerely following their faith and I have great respect for them. In my opinion, they put the hypocritical, self-righteous crowd to shame.

Thank you TGFMMAA! You pointed out so well just how Flathers is "the pot calling the kettle black". I guess half the time now I don't even pay attention to what he writes since most of the time it makes no sense, so I missed this but you pointing this out gave me a good laugh!

No matter which side makes these Nazi comparisons, I think it is wrong as well as stupid, but it is so funny to see Flathers become so indignant because a Democrat "diminished the horrors of Nazism with such casual trivialization" when on the very same day, he did that very same thing himself with his saying "Modern Dems love their grandiose imagery -- just as their autocratic soul mates at Nuremburg had."

Thanks again for picking up on it and pointing it out-----just too funny!

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