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Letter to the Editor: We must unify against myopic Republicans


Waller Wilson's letter, "Beware of who you vote for..." is right on the money.

Republicans have been touting the same old plans and strategies for "fixing" our economy since Ronald Reagan came up with them. They have never worked and never will.

We must have regulation and oversight or the situation of economic disaster will repeat itself over and over ad-nauseum.

We must rise above the fear factor that Republicans keep dishing out to us by unifying against these myopic Republicans, standing just as firm as the conservatives in the House, and re-electing a man who "gets it."

In spite of efforts to derail our president, he keeps on with his attempts to help middle class Americans and our country, even at the peril of not being re-elected. He is the patriot. He is in the right corner in the fight, and we need to re-elect him for our sakes!

Joette Bailey, Stephenson


Mad At The President......................for What?

Now, since Barack Obama became President, all of a sudden, folks have gotten mad, and want to, ' Take America Back...'

BACK TO WHAT or WHERE is my question? Let's not turn the clock back decades.

President Obama has been changing America despite the obstacle of a do-nothing party obsessed with religion, and abortion.

After The 8 Years Of The Bush/Cheney Disaster, Now You Get Mad?

You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.

You didn't get mad when Cheney aligned corporations dictated government energy policy and pushed us to invade Iraq.

You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us, killing and maiming 100's of thousands, not least our own.

You didn't get mad when we spent over 800 billion (and still counting) on said illegal war.

You didn't get mad when Bush borrowed more money from foreign sources than the previous 42 Presidents combined.

You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars in cash just disappeared in Iraq, but families were buying flak vests for their guys that the US wasn't shelling out for and riding in vehicles without armor against road-buried bombs.

You didn't get mad when Bush embraced trade and outsourcing policies that shipped 6 million American jobs out of the country.

You didn't get mad when they blew Tora Bora and didn't find or catch Bin Laden.

You didn't get mad when they employed Nazi style tortures and broke international laws.

You didn't get mad when Bush rang up 10 trillion dollars in combined budget and current account deficits.

You didn't get mad when Bush left the government bigger than ever.

You didn't get mad when Bush appointed industry vested individuals as government regulators over their own investment industries.

You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed Army Medical Center and at US prisoner of war camps, or with military families on food stamps.

You didn't get mad when we let down a major US city, New Orleans.

You didn't get mad when we gave people who had more money than they could ever spend, the 1%, over a trillion dollars in tax breaks.

You didn't get mad with the worst 8 years of job creations in several decades.

You didn't get mad when over 200,000 US Citizens lost their lives because they had no health insurance.

You didn't get mad when lack of oversight and regulations from the Bush Administration caused US Citizens to lose 12 trillion dollars in investments, retirement savings, and home values.

You FINALLY got mad when a minority man was elected President and decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick???

Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, job losses by the millions, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, and the worst economic disaster since 1929 are all okay with you, but helping fellow Americans who are sick... Oh, Hell, No!!

2012 is a good year for them to remember! Let's get as passionate about re-electing our wonderful hard working President as we were when we got him elected! Don't get complacent and don't take for granted he will easily be back in office.

Don't think for one minute that your Vote doesn't count!

*With that share, I'm giving in to my pillow

Katybug the right gets blamed so much for just parroting right wing views when this is actually what you just did for the left. What you just posted was an old email floating around and posted on liberal web sites.

You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President. - Funny you should say that, Liberals love the judicial branch of the federal government when it suits their needs, but despise it when it rules against them. hypocrisy?? I think so.

You didn't get mad when Cheney aligned corporations dictated government energy policy and pushed us to invade Iraq.The October 2002 resolution authorizing the invasion had the support of the majority of Democratic senators, as well as the support of the Democratic Party leadership in both the House and the Senate.

You didn't get mad when we let down a major US city, New Orleans. Your democrat governor of Louisiana Kathleen Blanco, and democrat mayor of New Orleans Ray Nagin ignored the Bush Administration when they initially offered help. Furthermore, the U.S. government (FEMA) has absolutely no authority to respond until the Governor asks for emergency assistance. Again, get your facts straight.

You didn't get mad with the worst 8 years of job creations in several decades. The job losses started in earnest in 2009 but could arguably be blamed on the Bush administration with the caveat that the Democrats had control of both houses and were largely to blame for the housing bubble (the Bush administration did try to rein in Fannie, Freddie and Barney)

You didn't get mad when over 200,000 US Citizens lost their lives because they had no health insurance. Where did this BS number come from? Prove it – I dare you.

You didn't get mad when lack of oversight and regulations from the Bush Administration caused US Citizens to lose 12 trillion dollars in investments, retirement savings, and home values.Ummm… try “lack of oversight by Congress,” not by Bush. In fact, Bush TRIED to reign in the mortgage crises SEVENTEEN TIMES, but Congress ignored him. The fact is that Democrats and their policies created the meltdown. congressional banking and finance committee chairmen Barney “Sylvester” Frank and Chris “Crook” Dodd are on record as saying – right on the cusp of the meltdown – that “everything is OK.” The entire list of villians is here and most of them are Democrats and Liberals.

You didn't get mad when we gave people who had more money than they could ever spend, the 1%, over a trillion dollars in tax breaks. Top earners are the target for new tax increases, but the U.S. tax system is already highly progressive. The top 1 percent of income earners paid 38 percent of all federal income taxes in 2008, while the bottom 50 percent paid only 3 percent. Forty-nine percent of U.S. households paid no federal income tax at all. Get your facts straight. EVERYONE in the U.S. got tax breaks under Bush – as was proper. Besides, the idea that tax breaks are “giving” anything to anyone is ridiculous. It’s not “giving”… it’s letting people KEEP more of the money THEY EARNED.

Look – I can cut and paste too!

Your entries remind me of Rock Ridge Mayor Olson Johnson in Blazing Saddles:

"Now who can argue with that? ...I think we're all indebted to Gabby Johnson for clearly stating what needed to be said. Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish, it expressed a courage little seen in this day and age..."

BTW: There's a membership application for Code Pink waiting for you.

You're a better person than me, Debt Free.

After noting the time stamp of Katybug's entry, I couldn't bring myself to take her diatribe seriously.

Notice how this type forget that it is this president's record at issue?

www.factcheck.org ALL of us can check out all the lies!

I am so glad the cavalry finally showed up. I was beginning to wonder if there wasn't anyone but Democrats out there.

Joette, You forgot to add the approval by Obama to the end of your advertisement.

Debt, the only one worth responding to... The key sentence there was the last, *With that share, I'm giving in to my pillow

Yes, I did C&P, I didn't proclaim it as facts, I thought with the absence of links that it was rather clear it was an 'opinion'. I tend to forget at times others inability to see the forest.

I'm sorry this setting doesn't allow for me to write in big, bold crayon to thoroughly explain implied intent for those that miss the obvious. My sincere apologies for not taking that into consideration. If at anytime I share something in that setting again, I will type as the first sentence that it is strictly opinion so as not to confuse anyone.

I truly believed those on the right side would have recognized the difference, I certainly gave too much credit. I promise to do my best to keep it painfully clear.

Katybug, I understand perfectly that this was opinion, but I am allowed to point out the inaccuracies. You so often admonish us to research and find the truth but you are willing to throw anything out there and then act outraged when you are called on it.
“ Flathers "The Anointed One" clues you directly into the fact that he takes his "news" from Hannity COMMENTARY.There is a difference between opinion and reality. Katybug”
Since you have found it important to clue us in on when others are getting their information I thought I would just help you out by pointing out where you’re taking your “news” from.
“There is a laziness on the part of some of the electorate to look beyond what someone else is telling them. Katybug “
Apparently you didn’t take your own advice to take the time to look past what someone else was telling you and you just parroted the information without really knowing how truthful it was.

DEBT: "democrat governor of Louisiana Kathleen Blanco, and democrat mayor of New Orleans Ray Nagin ignored the Bush Administration when they initially offered help."

FALSE. http://www.snopes.com/katrina/politics/blanco.asp

Saturday, Aug 27 2005 - 2 Days Prior

Blanco asks President Bush to declare a State of Emergency for the state of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina. Bush does so, authorizing the Department of Homeland Security and FEMA "to coordinate all disaster relief efforts…" and freeing up federal money for the state.

—"Governor Blanco asks President to Declare an Emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina," Louisiana Governor's Office, 27 Aug 2005.


I did find this interesting:

1 Sep A 50-member Canadian search-and-rescue team from Vancouver, British Columbia reached a flooded New be.

I watched the Key West bumper-to-bumper traffic from my Homestead bedroom window in the very early morning hours of August 24, 1992. I left my home as ordered by the State and returned to find a very confusing landscape on Aug 25. Florida was impressively organized but the sights I saw in the aftermath would have sickened anyone.

I am not going to apologize repeatedly for others not being quite bright enough to see what was rather plain. I already said I will make it more clear in the future, the only other advice I can offer is if you are going to chew on crayons, stick to the brighter colors. (That is a joke too, for intents sake)

I stand by exactly what I said about Blathers, Tea, and quite a few others here. They NEVER bring factual information. There is a vast difference between the two and you know it.

If it makes you feel better to try attempt to use the one time I gave a strict opinion without announcing clearly "HEY CRAYON EATERS, DON'T PANIC, THIS IS ONLY AN OPINION" to justify others usage of ONLY opinions as facts on a consistent basis. go ahead....

Apparently I had previously given you too much credit, another mistake I promise not to make twice.

I sum up the entire Republican convention as a reality free zone on domestic issues of immigration, equality of minorities, economic responsibility, health care, women's reproductive rights, and fair taxation.

The fact checking industry has reduced Republican credibility to zero.

And this brings up the perplexing question on this second anniversary of Obama ending the war in Iraq; why no Republican mentioned the war in Afghanistan? Only Dirty Harry made a general mention of 'bring the troops home tomorrow' and the crowd response to this suggestion was crickets.

Republicans are more interested in living inside their ideological bubble, free of dissenting fact checkers, and continuing the perpetuation of endless wars and endless profiteering on those wars.

@ Dan Flathers:
I was just wondering did your parents beat you a lot as a kid?

Warning "my" opinion mixed with facts...

I would imagine Romney had a few reasons for not mentioning the war. Afghanistan being an un-funded Bush war to go get Bin Laden, which now we all know Bin Laden wasn't even there, and now with his death under Obama (whether Republicans like it or not), it is a very unpopular war.

Speaking of war would also remind people that Iraq (also un-funded) and the subsequent rise of Iran is still hanging over our heads. Which many Americans and other countries still and will always believe Bush and Cheney should face war crimes for as evidenced here


and here


Mentioning war would also of course bring into scope the factions calling for action on Syria and Iran, which America should absolutely mind her own business on due primarily to the fact that no matter how much the Republicans may like to sprinkle magic fairy dust and make it disappear....our economy is still suffering and in part its due to two un-funded wars.

I know we need to keep sticking our nose where it doesn't belong because otherwise how can we justify the massive spending on defense if we don't stay at war somewhere??

Lastly, I imagine any mention from Romney would have solicited a large amount of booing from the Ron Paul crowd there, reminding anyone watching just how broken into factions the R-party has become.

Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack Obama?


*An op-ed piece for those that need the big crayon letters to understand.

*PS the author of the op-ed also mentions the budgets passed each year and provides links to those as well in the comment section, after the first commenter of course gives the Fox Spews unfair and unbalanced spin.

The News, reshuffled

TAMPA (The Borowitz Report)—On the opening night of the 2012 Republican National Convention, the Presidential nominee Mitt Romney received fulsome praise for being a “regular, down-to-earth guy” from his wife, Ann, whose dressage horse, Rafalca, competed in the London Olympics.

“Mitt has never let his success go to his head,” Mrs. Romney said. “Take away the seven-thousand-square-foot house in La Jolla and the bank account in the Caymans, he’s still the same fun-loving (18 year old) boy who pinned a gay kid to the ground and cut off his hair.”

Mrs. Romney adopted an intimate tone as she attempted to describe “the Mitt only I know.”
“Every now and then, Mitt will give me this devilish smile of his, and I know that can only mean one thing,” she said, flushing slightly. “He just fired someone.”

In a small flub that many delegates found endearing, Mrs. Romney said, “Mitt Romney is like you or me—he puts his pants on one leg at a time. Oh, wait. He has a fellow who does that for him. My bad.”

But the nominee’s wife brought the convention audience to its feet with her closing endorsement of her husband: “I promise you that if you elect Mitt President of the United States, he will never give less than thirteen per cent.”


Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious. ~
Peter Ustinov

The Olympic equestrian arena where Rafalca performed is no stranger to wealth and privilege, with Prince Abdullah al Saud of Saudi Arabia , Alvaro Affonso de Miranda Neto, husband of Athina Onassis; Princess Nathalie Zu Sayn-Wittgenstein of Denmark and Zara Phillips , granddaughter of Britain’s Queen Elizabeth II, among the riders competing across a range of disciplines.

Mitt's just a 'regular' guy and he gets us...

Raising Romney's horse vs. an American family: Which costs more?


I question the Republican leaderships need to continuously lie about everything. Why would they have such a compelling need to lie?

In my opinion Republicans lie not to try influencing undecided women and minority voters. They lie trying to capture and hold the votes of 'low-information' white voters, primarily uneducated evangelical fundamentalists and the devoutly religious whose gullibility is easily exploited thanks to their confliction with science contradicting their deeply held religious beliefs. How else to explain people who vote against their own best self-interests? Do they ever think about their sources of retirement income and health care when retired? Or do they trust in their imaginary god to provide needed health care, put food on the table, and keep a roof over their heads?

How Does Koch Industries Influence the Climate Debate?

The Greenpeace website has Internet links to each of the groups listed below.

Key Front Groups Taking Koch Money And Doing Their Dirty Work

From 1997 to 2010, the Kochs funneled over $61.48 million to organizations who are working in lockstep with the Kochs' agenda while presenting themselves as experts. Many, if not all are mostly self-appointed experts without academic credentials in the sciences that study climate. Some top recipients of Koch money include:

· Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty - $373,750
· American Council on Capital Formation (ACCF) - $375,000
· American Council on Science and Health (ACSH) - $155,000
· American Enterprise Institute (AEI) - $150,000
· American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) - $708,858
· American Spectator Foundation - $14,500
· Americans for Prosperity Foundation (AFP) - $5,760,781
· Americans for Tax Reform (ATR) - $60,000
· Atlas Economic Research Foundation - $161,100
· Ayn Rand Institute - $50,000
· Capital Research Center (CRC) - $660,000
· Cato Institute - $5,535,750
· Center for Freedom and Prosperity Foundation - $54,266
· Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change - $85,000
· Center for the Study of Market Processes (now Mercatus Center) - $50,000
· Citizens for a Sound Economy (split into FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity) - $6,510,375
· Collegians for a Constructive Tomorrow - $12,285
· Commonwealth Foundation for Public Policy Alternatives - $84,532
· Competitive Enterprise Institute - $520,946
· Council for National Policy - $25,000
· Environmental Literacy Council (ELC) - $150,000
· Federalist Society for Law and Public Policy Studies - $2,166,999
· Foundation for Economic Education (FEE) - $34,592
· Foundation for Research on Economics and the Environment (FREE) - $1,525,000
· Fraser Institute - $500,500
· Frontiers of Freedom - $175,000
· George C. Marshall Institute - $310,000
· Goldwater Institute - $75,000
· Heartland Institute - $30,000
· The Heritage Foundation - $4,476,571
· Independence Institute - $141,000
· Independent Institute - $50,000
· Independent Women’s Forum (IWF) - $835,000
· Institute for Energy Research (IER) - $235,000
· Institute for Humane Studies (IHS) - $8,544,048
· James Madison Institute - $129,424
· John Locke Foundation (JLF) - $122,472
· Mackinac Center for Public Policy - $84,151
· The Manhattan Institute for Policy Research - $1,725,000
· Media Research Center (MRC) - $15,005
· Mercatus Center - $10,474,500
· National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA) - $620,000
· National Review Institute - $10,000
· National Taxpayers Union Foundation (NTUF) - $32,500
· Pacific Research Institute for Public Policy (PRIPP) - $1,200,000
· Philanthropy Roundtable - $218,968
· Property and Environment Research Center (PERC) - $213,144
· The Reason Foundation - $1,786,509
· Smithsonian Institute Astrophysical Observatory (Willie Soon payments) - $230,000
· State Policy Network (SPN) - $39,000
· Students for Liberty - $23,500
· Tax Foundation - $657,369
· Texas Public Policy Foundation (TPPF) - $543,999
· Washington Legal Foundation (WLF) - $1,605,000

Total Koch money to the Climate Denial Machine, 1997-2010 = $61,485,781

damn that is a lot of peso's for cornflakes. I'll have to research the "Americans for Prosperity Foundation (AFP)"

A GREAT speech from our President


minutes 7:30-12:30 being the best!

Hope everyone remembered WHO got them today's holiday.

Ann Romney Tuesday: "We got married and moved into a basement apartment. We walked to class together, shared the housekeeping, and ate a lot of pasta and tuna fish."

Ann Romney in 1994: When Mitt Romney was running for Senate in 1994, his wife gave a candid interview with Jack Thomas of The Boston Globe, published October 20, 1994. She told Thomas that after their Hawaii honeymoon, Mitt transferred to Brigham Young University. Back then, she still thought of that time as tough. But she wasn't as good at describing it, suggesting that it was rough living off stock options: Ann Romney 2012: "Mitt will be the first to tell you that he is the most fortunate man in the world. He had two loving parents who gave him strong values and taught him the value of work. He had the chance to get the education his father never had. But as his partner on this amazing journey, I can tell you Mitt Romney was not handed success."

Ann Romney 1994: "Remember, we'd been paying $ 62 a month rent, but here, rents were $ 400, and for a dump. This is when we took the now-famous loan that Mitt talks about from his father and bought a $42,000 home in Belmont, and you know? The mortgage payment was less than rent. Mitt saw that the Boston market was behind Chicago, LA and New York. We stayed there seven years and sold it for $90,000, so we not only stayed for free, we made money. As I said, Mitt's very bright.


WOW! This woman can live as well as Mitt!

When you stop to consider that John McCain choose Sarah Palin as a “better candidate” (McCann's words) than Mitt Romney in 2008, do you wonder why? Not even a little bit?

So, according to McCain, Romney was a worse candidate than the walking punch line who couldn’t name a single Supreme Court case other than Roe v. Wade, couldn’t name a single newspaper that she regularly reads, claimed that her foreign policy credentials were enhanced by being able to see Russia from her house, and — according to polls — significantly hurt McCain’s chances of winning the election.

I wonder if you ever "stop to consider" what you post beforehand, Jane.

By your calculus, Hillary Clinton was ill-suited as vice president because Joe Biden was a "better candidate."

I did get a kick out of your mockery of Sarah Palin. Only one problem with it: She never said that she could see Russia from her house. Tina Fey as Palin said it. SNL is a co-me-dy show. They make things up for laughs. You unwittingly do, also.

No surprise here. What can be said about an adherent to a political party touting the line "The government is the only thing we all belong to." in its convention video.


(Before you defend the sentiment, take a moment and think: The government is the only thing that belongs to all of us!)

Demcrats blame the Republicans, Republicans blame the Democrats. Misleading or downright untruthful ads from both parties flood the airwaves. Phone calls from Romney and letters from Obama asking for financial support make me cringe. All that said, we still have the best system in the world. Once Obama has the opportunity to negotiate with Putin from a position of second-term president because he has "more flexibility" it will be too late to change your mind. Don't be dumb enough to vote by part lines. Get the facts.

Grasping again, Jane. The frequency and tenor of your entries has me worrying about you...

I'm not sure what you point is on this one. "Consider":

Saint JFK was richer than Romney in adjusted dollars. Care to discuss how they got the dough?

Queen Jackie of Camelot was an accomplished equestrienne who was featured with her mount on the covers of national magazines (Look; Life, etc.)

This was back in the day before Democrats had lost their minds about such things.

This cracks me up Dan. I think you got these blabbering bunch of fact checkers on the run. Keep up the good work.

Special shout-out to Mr. GOP - cHeAp ShOt fLaThErS:
If Romney was Santa Claus, he'd fire the reindeer, outsource the elves, and put coal in everybody's stockings. Of course that is just a rumor I'm trying to start, but you feel me?

Always remember this:

General Motors is alive and Osama bin Laden is dead. Too bad your guy didn't get the job done.

Of course I'm completely biased, but I am also completely correct... and you know it!


You did right good anti-pinoccnut. You thought of only two things Obama did in his whole term, and I will agree, that is just about covers it.

"Cheap Shot?" Fault projecting again?

GM is not "roaring back" as His Nibs put it...and they're still in the tank to us for several billion.

Read George Will in today's NV Daily for a sober essay on the subject.

I also recommend 'No Easy Day' to quench your baseless admiration for Obama spiking the football. Pakistan sure showed him how much they respected him by hiding bin Laden.

Thanks, TeaTime.

There's no point arguing with these tools. They get nasty-personal and then have the utterly lack of self-awareness by whining about "rudeness" when they get but a light taste of their own medicine.

True, died-in-the-wool tinfoil hatters.

DF: "....Hillary Clinton was ill-suited as vice president because Joe Biden was a "better candidate." Pray tell, what EXACTLY did I say that lead you to that brilliant conclusion? Negative. Clinton would be a great president, VP. senator, and secretary of state...AND, she has already proven successful at two of these.

You are correct about the 'Russia from her house'. What she actually said: "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border." --Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008

DF: "You unwittingly do, also." Leave them laughing I always say.

Wrong, again, DF. (I feel sorry for how simple minded you are!). To compare the Kennedy Family to the Mitt Romney family is an absolute insult to the great American Kennedy family. Have you ever heard of Joseph P. Kennedy. Jr. or John Kennedy commander of the Motor Torpedo Boats PT-109 and PT-59 during World War II in the South Pacific? Ah, now what has MR and family done for his country? Did he take a religious deferment in Paris? Five sons,none served.

In comparison, Jon Huntsman (Morman) who has served his country honorably has two sons in the U.S.

Interesting that Ann and Mitt were able to deduct $77,000 for that horse...believe I read that they only owned 1/3 of that horse but I'm sure you will tell me if I'm wrong. Please don't disappoint me.

Since you are so enamored with Ms Palin, I leave you with these:

"All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of me over all these years." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a single newspaper or magazine she reads, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008

"He who warned, uh, the British that they weren't gonna be takin' away our arms, uh, by ringing those bells, and um, makin' sure as he's riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be sure and we were going to be free, and we were going to be armed." --Sarah Palin, botching the history of Paul Revere's midnight ride, June 3, 2011

"But obviously, we've got to stand with our North Korean allies." --Sarah Palin, after being asked how she would handle the current hostilities between the two Koreas, interview on Glenn Beck's radio show, Nov. 24, 2010


When you stop to consider that John McCain choose Sarah Palin as a “better candidate” (McCann's words) than Mitt Romney in 2008, do you wonder why? Not even a little bit?

Correction: Jon Huntsman's two sons are in the U.S. Navy.

What Barack Obama has done is take credit for 'getting' bin Laden. He 'happened' to be president when our military 'got' bin Laden. He didn't mastermind the operation and he didn't take part other than to OK it. He watched just like we did. Aside from that the only memorable thing about his presidency is the frequency and scope of his travels (vacations).

4ur411, you seem to have had an exclusive privileged vantage point from which to view all the internal machinations of what is probably our most elite security apparatus to be able to explain to the rest of us exactly how this Bin Laden operation actually went down. You must be an extremely important person. That or you must be full of shxt.

beckrose, You really have to be patient with these people that do not understand that the operation would NEVER have happened if the Commander and Chief of the United States hadn't ordered it. And that the high ranking military officer who advised him of this operation had shared full details as to exactly what they expected to do. It was the funniest thing I ever heard of when Reagan denied Iran Contra BECAUSE that op could never have been implemented without a 'Presidential Finding'.

Obama has given credit to this elite team time and time again to include honoring them at the White House. When one believes PAC ads instead of reading newspapers, these are the inaccuracies they believe and repeat.

OMG: You are indeed a True Believer, Jane.

I had overestimated you. My bad.

"a) Presidential findings
"The President may not authorize the conduct of a covert action by departments, agencies, or entities of the United States Government unless the President determines such an action is necessary to support identifiable foreign policy objectives of the United States and is important to the national security of the United States, which determination shall be set forth in a finding that shall meet each of the following conditions:" //read more//


DF, Please allow me to broaden your education by sharing the above explanation of "Presidential Finding." Again, I state that the USG doesn't move on any covert act without a PF. 'True Believer'? Yes, I believe in the truth.

After reading the Cornell site, you should be able to understand the process implemented prior to the operation in Pakistan and in Nicaragua as I previously explained.

4ur411 thinks President Obama "---just happened to be president" when the military got Bin Laden? You mean, like in a country with a military junta where the military rules the government? It took the president's committment and HIS order to use our government's resources to make a priority finding Bin Laden and it took the order from the president--- he is Commander-In-Chief you know---- to our military to actually DO the job. An order, by the way, that many had advised him against because had anything gone wrong, Republicans would have been all over that.

Makes me wonder if Mr. Romney would have given the same order and put his political life on the line. The way he has flip-flopped over major issues over the years, the way he has morphed himself from a moderate Republican Massachusetts governor to the self-described "severely conservative" Republican candidate now, it is hard for me to believe he would have made the difficult decision.

4ur411, Obama isn't to be given any credit for the bin Laden kill? However....

Google "The Iranian Hostage Crisis"; was the military to blame for that debacle? President Jimmy Carter was blamed.

Please. please take a few minutes to read about a Presidential Finding and you will understand--maybe somewhat--what it takes to implement a military action such as the bin Laden kill. And, yes, the President of the United States is intimately involved.


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