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Letter to the Editor: Marchers carrying defaced Obama poster were offensive

Editor:

Driving by our Department of Motor Vehicles center on Sept. 17 in Front Royal, I was taken back ... back to the dark ages! Marching and carrying Obama's picture defaced with Hitler's mustache around town is inconsiderate. Comparing anyone to Hitler is desperate and insensitive. Does anyone who was at this little protest really understand or care how wrong this is on so many levels? Should we be as wary of Obama as they should have been of Hitler in Nazi Germany? If only those people had read "Mein Kampf."

Should freedom of speech and expression laws allow people to compare the president to a fascist dictator responsible for the deaths of several million people?

Of course I'm offended by it, of the Obama poster. I'm really saddened to have to watch this.
Our national debate is at a ridiculous point, when the majority of our nation would like to have a debate about the solutions to the challenges we face in the U.S. That doesn't mean those with conservative or liberal ideologies shouldn't voice their opinions in public, but it's sad when someone has to deface a picture of the president by comparing him to a fascist.
Should freedom trump responsibility? Can you imagine how those of us, your neighbors in Front Royal, feel? Those who lost family to Hitler's grasp in Europe? Do we really need this? Were these people fooled, holding up this picture of Obama with his little mustache? Or just hired?

I think I know the origin of this absurd display ... Fox News welcomed Glenn Beck on board the day before Obama's inauguration. Beck ramped up his analogies. On April 2, 2009, Beck promoted his next show by asking viewers, "Is this where we are headed?" and then he ran photographs of Obama and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown with images of Hitler, Stalin and Lenin; on June 10, Beck compared the Germans living under Hitler to Americans with Obama as president. I think the majority of us have grown and now know Beck for what he is. Peace.

Carol Jaworski, Front Royal

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    Yes I find those posters to be disrespectful and outrageous! That has been the treatment of this president from day one so naturally these "little people" will carry on with the nonsense as long as possible.

    If this stupid propaganda can impress one more person to jump on the idiot bandwagon (that the Republicans so desperately need) then mission accomplished.

    While all of our political candidates are too cozy with the BIG money and Wall Street, right now it's the only game in town. Hopefully one day these elections will be returned to the people of this country and not Corporate America.

    'Should freedom of speech and expression laws allow people to compare the president to a fascist dictator responsible for the deaths of several million people? '

    Is that a joke? Of course they should! People who suggest limiting freedom of speech scare me more than some racist with a picture of our president that has been defaced.

    Living in a free country means you'll be offended sometimes, maybe all the time if you're easily offended. Please learn about our country, our government and history in general.

    Claiming 'offense' has become so overused by the Left as to become meaningless -- when not trite and outright boring.

    It is also almost always highly selective:

    What do CA Governor Jerry Brown, CA Democratic Party Chair John Burton, MA Democratic Party Chair -- and others have in common?

    Unlike Beck, they didn't simply imply that Republicans were like Nazis. They actually said that Republicans were like Nazis.

    What do these folks not have in common with Beck, Maddow, most of The View and the ever-unctuous Rosie O'Donnell?

    Unlike the latter -- who are entertainers/commentators on the various news networks -- the former are supposedly sober political leaders.

    One thinks of the disgusting caractueratures of George W Bush over the eight years preceding the president's term.

    Is Ms Jawaorski just as equally "offended" by the antics of the Left?

    Her omission speaks volumes.

    Most likely these were the same people?? that were set up at the Woodstock PO around the same time. It is the same mentality we see played out in Mecklenburg, VA where the Republican party has displayed pictures of President Obama as a neanderthal and witch doctor. But that is the base of the Republican party. And that is why Romney won't be elected President.

      And can't you just imagine how flipped out these poor, misguided "loyal" followers of the Republican Party would be if we were walking around with a picture of Romney, who could be portrayed as 18th Century Louis XVI of France; indifferent to the needy masses (or the 47% he refers to as "losers") and their starving, uneducated, poor children who dare to ask the country for a crumb of bread. "Let them eat cake" his charming, wife could utter (a la Marie Antoinette).

      Now that would be a nice poster!

      We need the great 19th C. satirist & artist, Daumier, to show us ourselves and the country we are in danger of becoming.


    The Tea Party, the redheaded stepchild of Falwell's Moral Majority, is fading away into a well deserved oblivion. Unfortunately, it leaves behind the hard core believers willing to do outrageous things to further the evangelical fundamentalist cause of their church controlling EVERY aspect of our lives, especially public education where evolution is taught.

    "Teabilly" is a very descriptive and catchy phrase.

    Carol Jaworski, you are witnessing history. 50 years from now this time in politics will be archived much like the Democratic take over of civil rights, the usage of the Southern Strategy, and ultimate complete change in parties.

    2008 these people fondly referred to as "Teabillies" really truly didn't believe President Obama would win. These are the same neighbors, family members that while smart enough not to outwardly expose it, still use n****r when they believe they are in like company or not face to face with those they would disparage. In 2008 in their minds it was simply impossible that even a half black man would be elected to the highest office in the land......BUT, he won.

    What to do then? Well we must "take our country back" of course. Ignorant, but smart enough to know that in this century society doesn't just accept hatred based upon skin color. Mind you, the Tea Party really did begin Bush bailing out WallStreet on the tax payer dime. But hatred needed a host and this new movement fit the bill and was quickly taken over. On came the constant stream of accusations. Fascist, Socialist, Marxist, Muslim, Racist Christian, Communist, Non-American, Apologist, Closet Homosexual, ANY and EVERY damn thing they could cling to and attempt to portray the President as because hiding your hate beneath a sheet just doesn't fly in these times.

    When you have a group of people still ignorant and backwards enough to place a mans worth on his skin color, playing on their emotions is easy. Its easy to convince them the big bad black man is going to steal their guns, burn their bibles and whatever other consistently baseless claim they make. Oh, they will scream all day "Its not about race, its about blah blah blah" But a spade is a spade. You can hide it half way in the dirt, but its still a spade.

    The Republican Party having to deal with the disaster known as GWB and subsequent election loss rather than stand up for themselves, allowed the extremism to take over for fear of losing what power it had left. That is the history we have been watching unfold, the complete destruction of the GOP.

    We just need to ignore them and keep moving forward!

    Ms Jaworski, Isn't it a pathetic affirmation of the intelligence of the 21st century citizens you witnessed and, for that matter, all who use such extremes regardless of party affiliation. Very little separates the mindset of these extremists in the US from the extremists in the Middle East; given misguided prompts those demonstrators you witnessed could be incited too. We have seen out-of-hand demonstrations in this country. No politician or responsible adult should use or condone this manner of campaigning or behavior. (Republicans/Romney, however, have proven to be as silent as death when it comes to Ted Nugent, etc.) A major failing of US politics being displayed in this behavior is the fact that these visuals support the terrorist cause; in fact, they probably use some of the more vocal U.S. protest footage in their terrorist training films.


    --Maine Gov. Paul LePage (R) attacked the Affordable Care Act recently by calling the Internal Revenue Service "the new Gestapo," a reference to the secret police of Nazi Germany. LePage joins a long list of people who have invoked the Nazis to denounce politicians or policies.
    --“I think Schumer can probably find legislation to [penalize Americans who renounce their citizenship to avoid taxes]. It existed in Germany in the 1930s … He probably just plagiarized it and translated it from the original German.” – Grover Norquist, 5/18/2012
    --“They say it is a government takeover of health care. A big lie, just like [Nazi propagandist Joseph] Goebbels. You say it enough, you repeat the lie, you repeat the lie, you repeat the lie, and eventually people believe it. The Germans said enough about the Jews, and the people believed it, and you had the Holocaust.” – Rep. Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.), 1/18/2011
    --“If Joseph Goebbels was around, he’d be very proud of the Democratic Party, because they have an incredible propaganda machine.” – Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.), 12/15/2011
    --“I have to put a sticker on my buildings to say this is a smoke-free environment. This is brought to you by the government of Monongalia County. OK? Remember Hitler used to put the Star of David on everybody’s lapel. Remember that? Same thing.” – Republican Senate candidate John Raese, 4/18/2012
    --“I look back in history, in some of the worst governments we’ve ever had, you know one of the first things they did? They went after the trade unions. Hitler didn’t want unions.” – Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), 3/3/2011
    --“It’s like Goebbels. Goebbels invented this kind of propaganda. He took control of the whole world. [Meg Whitman] wants to be president. That’s her ambition, the first woman president. That’s what this is all about.” – Gov. Jerry Brown (D-Calif.), 6/16/2010
    --“[The debate over climate change] reminds me in some ways of the debate taking place in this country and around the world in the late 1930s. During that period of Nazism and fascism’s growth — a real danger to the United States and democratic countries around the world — there were people in this country and in the British parliament who said, ‘Don’t worry! Hitler’s not real! It’ll disappear!’” – Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), 2/23/2010
    (Source: Politico)


    “We have flown the air like birds and swum the sea like fishes, but have yet to learn the simple act of walking the earth like brothers.” ― Martin Luther King Jr.

    Now who said Republicans were making it hard for people to register to vote????!!!!!!!!!

    "Since announcing a streamlined, more efficient program in May 2010, McDonnell (R) has restored the rights of more than 3,800 felons and could clear hundreds more ahead of the November election."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/mcdonnell-on-pace-to-restore-voting-rights-to-record-number-of-felons/2012/09/30/7dfd902a-08bf-11e2-858a-5311df86ab04_story.html?wpisrc=nl_headlines

    Ah, Governor, you really are working hard to ensure that the citizens of Virginia get to vote, aren't you? Besides ensuring that someone who has knocked over a gas station or killed another human can vote in this election, you also ensured that the DMV GoMobile vehicles were conveniently parked outside the weekend gun shows. Hummm, I wonder if any of those who purchased guns at the gun shows will be on the receiving end of the felon voter clearance.

    “None so blind as those that will not see.” (Matthew Henry) Don't any of you see the same sort of actions by the democrats? This sort of thing has gone on since politics was invented. Put on your big girl clothes and quit whining.

    Katybug and Lady Jane: Provide well for your progeny, including a very, very safe and secure place to live. The America that you and the rest of the liberals are creating will be like a foreign land 30 to 50 years from today. Look closely at what is happening in Spain, France, and England. I'm glad I won't be here. You and your liberal chums are either ignorant of, or don't care about, what made America great. You are raising another generation just like you. If they don't know their heritage, they won't fight for it. All the patriots who shed blood creating and defending our country will have done so in vain.

    America was once called a melting pot because all who came here adopted our culture and assimilated into our society, enriching our culture - slowly. Today, because of liberal policies, the melting pot is gone. There is no incentive for legal immigrants to assimilate. English as second language and other liberal programs have seen to that. Illegal immigration is tolerated. Again the result of liberal policies. One of the bad side effects is that illegals use a hidden cash economy that results in massive amounts of our currency being sent to, and spent in, other countries. We are becoming a divided nation as a result. We don't all speak the same language; we don't understand the others' problems and concerns.

    We can try to reverse the damage, but only by strictly following our Constitution.

      Well "patriot", you know what they say about opinions right?

      My idea of a melting pot is more like a big crock pot of veggie beef stew. All together it makes one awesome dinner in a bowl...But if you separate the ingredients and eat each one on its own, it only tastes like that one ingredient. Potatoes don't get added to taste like the beef, carrots don't get added to taste like the beef.....you follow??? Each part has its own identity and life of its own, but together creates a nice bowl of yum! That's America.

      Since 2008, you are either insane or liberal. I'll take liberal . Which parts of "strictly following our constitution" should we follow? Is this before or after we outlawed slavery? gave us evil womens the right to vote? gave anyone other than rich white males over 21 the right to vote? Which is it exactly? The constitution is a living document. It was intended that way for a reason, the world changes, it evolves. I know you "patriot" types don't quite grasp that the whole evolution thing, and that nothing ever stays the same. We learn, we grow and circumstances change. In 1787 they had zero clue as to what life would be like in 2012. (Tbh they probably thought the world would be gone by now) But they were however smart enough to recognize things change. Which today's teabillies haven't seemed to grasp yet.

      I'm not whining, I'm calling you "patriot" types out as what you are, and that's annoying isn't it? A spade remains a spade.


    The previous opinion by Teabilly Valley Patriot came to us straight from the Teabilly Fever Swamp. These are the type of Teabilly flag waving histrionics that raise doubts about the GOP’s readiness to govern.

    The tea party is no longer viewed as a populist, grassroots organization, but a dangerous group with extremist views that don’t reflect the mainstream values of America’s middle class. Some of the negatives come out of the fact that there isn’t anyone defending the tea party as a political party. They have as many factions as they do members, and speaking behind a cohesive central message is foreign to who they are, not only as a ‘party,’ but what they believe in.

    When Republicans pay lip service to the tea party movement, they are happy to glom on to its anti-tax, anti-Obama, anti-government, anti-big-bank vitriol. But they don’t call for any actual action against the bailed-out perpetrators of the financial crisis. They’d never ask for investments to put ordinary Americans back to work. They have no policies to forestall foreclosures or protect health insurance for the Teabillies who’ve been shafted by hard times. Their only economic principle beside tax cuts is vilification of the stimulus that did save countless jobs for firefighters, police officers and teachers at the state and local level.

    Rolled nasal mucus is holding the tea party together and the Teabillies are the tent poles holding up Republican extremism. Quite frankly, the tea party crowd comes across like the barflies in “Star Wars.”


    The usual and easily predicted liberal responses. Attack the messenger instead of the message.

    Katybug, please tell us your source for "...the constitution is a living document." I suppose the Bible is a living document also. Your failure to capitalize "Constitution" speaks volumes.

    CaCa, I reject your announcement of the demise of the Tea Party, even though I am not a member. Estimates I have seen or heard reported about 28% of working Americans consider themselves affiliated with, or supporters of, the Tea Party. Let me emphasize WORKING Americans.

      Why the amendment process my dear Watson. If created to be set in stone, it would not have included...

      Article V

      The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.

      My source is the constitution.

      Once could say the bible is a living document, are you 100%, bet your soul certain, that the KJV is completely in line with original texts? Or one could say that even within denominations there are variances in understanding of the bible and practice thereof, why? (That is of course a completely different topic of course)

      Your ball.


      Reject all you want, Teabilly, the truth remains. Here are the latest estimated Tea Party membership numbers:

      PBS - 67,000 nationwide = 0.00214 % of U.S. population
      U.S. population is ~ 312 million
      http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2010/04/tea-party-how-big-is-it-and-where-is-it-based.html

      In 2010, membership in Tea Party chapters across the country has slipped from about 1,000 to 600, representing a 40% membership decline.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement


      Yes sir, I had you specifically in mind when I created the derogatory descriptive term 'rolled nasal mucus'.

    Continuation of personal attacks. caca, you are incredibly creative. But the next time you create a name for yourself, you might want to research it a little more thoroughly. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=caca

    katybug, within the context of your explanation (because of the amendment process) I agree the Constitution is a living document. I do not agree that it is a living document in the sense that jurists or presidents are free to interpret, reinterpret, or ignore it. It says what is says.

      Well Patriot, that's a problem there just isn't an answer for. Someone is always going to say to-may-to while another says ta-mah-to.

      I read the first amendment and think to myself freedom of speech means I have the right to call bull**** on the government when I see fit without fear of reprisal, while that cooky Baptist church thinks it means they can protest the funerals of soldiers who gave their lives in the most vulgar ways they can imagine. Or in this case, use the deaths of millions in a hateful, fearful and downright disgusting manner to score a political point.

      I read it and think the government never had any business adding "under God" to a pledge that never included it in the first place and forcing children to repeat it, others read it and think its the governments job to force everyone to bend to their version of God.

      With any written word, people perceive what they want out of it. Even here on NVD commentary...its about time my follower pops up again with fragmented pieces of what I've said in a dozen comments to try to turn it into something else all together. Perception.

    Katybug - Full agreement with your first two paragraphs, but we disagree on #3. Our founders did not come here to escape religion. They came here to escape the religion that Britain forced upon them and which controlled the government. Religion in their new world was a central part of their lives. The first two sentences of the Declaration refer to God and the Creator.

    We discussed this issue previously as a result of a letter I wrote 9/14. To jog your memory, "under God" was added to highlight America's exceptionalism. According to Wikipedia, on Feb 7, 1954, some American presidents honored Lincoln's birthday by attending services at the church Lincoln attended. The church's pastor delivered a sermon based on the Gettysburg Address. He argued the nation's might lay not in arms but in its spirit and higher purpose. He cited Lincoln's words "under God" as defining words that set the United States apart from other nations. President Eisenhower acted on the pastor's suggestion. Congress passed legislation and he signed the bill with the phrase "under God" into law June 14, 1954.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance

    Your comment on my letter seemed to say 1) freedom of religion also protects nonbelievers and therefore they shouldn't have to say "under God" and 2) if you have true faith you shouldn't have to proclaim it in the pledge.

    For me, in #1 we are throwing out the baby with the bathwater. I personally don't believe anyone's rights are being trampled. Inserting the phrase "under God" did not establish a religion and therefore did not violate the 1st Amendment. Reciting the pledge is more important than one, a few, several, or many individuals. It is one one of the ways we pass our heritage and patriotism to the next generation. When I attend sporting events it saddens me to see so many young people (and a few not so young) who fail to stand or remove their hats for the pledge or anthem. It's not their fault. No one has taught them or explained their heritage. Many do not have an adequate knowledge of U.S. history or government. These are the members of Congress 20 to 30 years from now. I do not apologize for wanting to preserve our heritage. Besides, I personally do not believe there are atheists in foxholes or deathbeds.

    #2 is a non sequitor. As stated before, the phrase was not intended to be a statement of faith. Even if it were, it might not be a question of having to proclaim faith, it might be a question of wanting to.

    As I read the responses and look at both sides of the coin I notice that Liberals in general usually have a negative response to anything that might be conservative. I'm sure that someone will say I'm a Teabagger or Teabilly or tin foil hat wacko and etc. This generally shows lack of intelligence and a general hatred in their heart.

    Do you remember when Bush was comapred to Alfred E Neuman (MAD comics) and The Chimp?

    Where was your disgust then??

    NVD bloggers: Make accusations, be negative and name call, say you didn't say it and blast someone for having the same right that allows you to speak your mind.

    Both sides have some growing up to do but every article in the NVD's forum has someone making pointed remarks and then hides behind their computer because they are scared to be called out in public.

    Perception? More like interpretation

      I'm sorry, I still like Teabilly. I know there are folks that are in agreement with the whole "take our country back" theme that don't fit the profile. But most are rural, white, older... and while not as rural as other places, we are rural.

      I imagine people choose their reasons for not using their "real names". I'll gladly tell you mine. Everyone knows everyone and just about everyone's darn business around here. If I happen to tick you off, and you are my child's teacher, I don't want them to pay the price. Maybe you are the cop that pulls me over for going 30 in a 25, and instead of giving me the watch my speed speech, you give me a ticket. Maybe one day when I have more time to devote to it, I'll run for town council (prob not, but maybe) and everyone knows how everything and anything you have ever said gets torn apart and used in bits against you. I'm sure you get the idea. Small town(s) life.

        Yes, small town life. Isn't it grand.

        I believe that when we type out long responses we try to show brilliance when realistically we show our rear ends. Some find the biggest soapbox because they may somehow feel denied elsewhere. Maybe they lack confidence? I personally don't care if someone diagrees with me. Thats what makes for a great conversation. Where would we be if we all came to the same conclusion.

        I think that we may upset a few people but if someone seeks to retaliate then we are never going to get anywhere. I'm sure that I have made a few enemies in this once great town..but thats ok with me. I'm sure this towns country charm will disguise it from the truth.

          LOL, Well I've previously proclaimed my non-intellectual elite status and I don't know how to *not* try to fully explain myself. So all I can do is borrow another commentors answer and tell you if you don't want to read what I've said, scroll down to the name first and move on ;)

            Looks like you evidently get under their skin, katybug, with your push back to what some of these people on here have to say. So now Nofsinger attempts a "psychological analysis" of your posts and of others, katybug---and of course, no surprise it's directed at those from the "other side" politically----in the criticism of, as Nofsinger said, "long responses". So---who is to make the decision what response is "long" and what isn't----Nofsinger? Maybe NV Daily should hire him just for that job---with psychoanalysis on the side. Of course we all can play that game and I am sure I am not the only one on here who has "my" opinion of Nofsinger's psychological profile.

            "Hiding behind a computer because they are afraid to be called out in public" according to Nofsinger with those of us who have decided to use a screen name? Too bad we live in a world today where there are far too many people who I can only describe, being as charitable as I can, as having "emotional problems". And one can never be sure that after giving an opinion ---anything---that one of these people disagrees with will not give a mentally disturbed person the impetus to show up at our house at 2 AM and not just for a "friendly little talk". I would guess that publications such as NV Daily allow people to use other than their real names on these comment sections to allow for people to freely express their opinions without fear from those disturbed individuals who would do us harm. Those who decide to use their own name anyway? That is their prerogative------I really don't care and it does not mean a thing to me.

    I say again its perception. I've already said here I was raised in church and still send my children, so "me" personally really could care less if the words are there or not. But you will never convince an American citizen that is either Atheist or of another religion not believing in God that it okay to force them to say something that goes against their belief system. Anymore than you could be convinced that the pledge should say one nation under Gandhi (for examples sake)

    Even citing "nature's God" or "their creator". Your perception of those is obviously Christian God. Another Americans perception of those is dictated by whatever they believe. Neither one has more or less rights as an American. Simply the right to believe as you will, and the guarantee of the government to allow you to believe it without persecution. It will always be a perception because neither the Constitution nor the Declaration specifically dictate "Christian God". They just don't.

    I think I said it prior as well, but if I were a hardcore believe every word the bible says literally believer, I wouldn't pledge anything to the flag as my allegiance would be to God and not what is ultimately a piece of fabric irregardless of what it symbolizes.

    I got angry with that letter, because I try to put myself in the other shoes. I'll be dam**d if I ever have to pledge, say, or do anything that is towards Mohammad(example). I'll tolerate that others believe whatever, I'll stand up for their right to believe it, but I wont be forced to agree or follow it. If someone tried, I'd fight with all I had. BUT in trying to be fair, I imagine they feel exactly the same way. They don't want to be made to follow what I believe anymore than I want to follows theirs. The sooner we all learn that, the better because we are never going to find the compromises that not only benefit us all, but help us continue to grow otherwise.

    This comment has nothing to do with the short stash seen on Obama, on signs the Royals.

    I see a decent amount of Romney signs "i think election signs" LOL in Augusta and Rockinghams County. But i also see alot of land without any Political Signs up!! I would like to think, that these are possibly parcels that are not caught in the rhetoric that we have to vote to the right!!


    valley patriot:
    Your research on my screen name is half complete. Perhaps scatological fascination shortstops your inquiry to learn the full story?

    Nofsinger:
    I am waiting for your other shoe to fall as you warm to your task. Perhaps you too are less than a full paragraph away from earning a Teabilly label?

    I see that this was a waste of time.

    @song98..You make my point for me. Sounds like paranoia to me...but thats just my pychological analysis. The couch is always ready for someone who is terrified because of those "boogey men" coming knocking on their door for that "friendly little talk". Maybe you should be a bit more aware of how you speak to others? But where is the fun in that, right?

    Im not worried if you come to my house at 2am, but you might want to think twice about it. Heck, I'll even keep the light on for you.

    But then again you dont gave to read or respond to my posts either.

      To be clear, what exactly was your point other than to degenerate liberals as negative or poke at opinions you don't happen to like?

      I went back and looked you did ask about GWB being made a chimp/MAD mag which while yes, debasing, its not racial nor using the deaths of others to strike a political point.

      Otherwise you just signed on and did exactly what you are accusing others of doing, and and the thinly veiled threat about your light left on...So what was your point?

        Well katybug, as far as Nofsinger's "crack" about his light left on---his words suggest he is full of bluster and wants to sound "tough".

        As well, I can't believe anyone is that naive or so uninformed to not understand mental illness and "how you speak to others" is irrelevent with those who are mentally ill.

        At any rate, I really don't care nor does it prove a thing, when people on here use their "real names" and if Nofsinger wants to use his "real name" (assuming it even is his "real name") and sit by his door at 2Am with the light on of course-----well, you go for it Buddy!

    caca, I admire your ability to find obscure words in a thesaurus. As to your name, I thought you would prefer to be associated with something well assembled than with something loose and uncontrolled.

    big bird, I did not cite conservative websites containing info countering the info on your liberal websites. There's no point. My websites are as biased as The Nation, self-described as "the flagship of the left," and Salon a progressive online magazine. It's not likely that any quote from a website has ever convinced a conservative to become liberal or vice versa. While the info may cause us to pause and think, again, it is not likely to change the way we vote.


    No comments, but just a suggestion that the NVD limit commenter input to a limited number of words or number of posts on the same subject.

    Not only are these long-winded rants tiresome and tedious,the personal back and forth snarky comments between commenters are neither constructive nor thought-provoking.

    HUH? Not thought provoking?

    It made you think about it hard enough you just had to post a snarky comment of your own? I'll leave it to others on this bandwagon who will suggest if you are offended, vote with your mouse and don't click on the link. Yes, I will let others say it because I won't. Huh? Did I just say that out loud.... again?

    Yeah, when my ox is being gored I too think about limiting the free speech LIES of my adversaries while promoting unlimited, unrestrained TRUTHFUL opinions from yours truly, then forcing the 4th estate to comply with my NON-dictatorial wishes on how the free world should abandon the Constitution's position on free speech. Maybe toss in a few comments including Hitler, Teabillies, and right to life and get the ball rolling.

    Snarky comments? You mean ones like Romney learned all about foreign policy when he studied at the International House of Pancakes? Is that what you mean?

    Guilty as charged, your Honor.

    ROFLMAO

    Right on, ROFLMAO!! Just as Obama learned financial, domestic and foreign policy while in the Corrupt Dimoratcy of Chicago. He demonstrated his lack of knowledge and expertise in those areas during the past 3 years and added a huge exclamation point Wednesday night.


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