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Letter to the Editor: Get the facts straight


Gary Varvel's cartoon on the Daily's Oct. 6 Opinion page was great! What a wonderful medium for getting your message out to voters! Unfortunately, a casual reader would come away with the wrong impression. At least I think Varvel was trying to support the Republican cause. Varvel has President Barack Obama saying, "My opponent wants to take us back ..." And Mitt Romney answers, "That's right! Back to a booming economy, 4 percent unemployment, $2 gas, AAA credit rating, balanced budgets..."

Booming economy? Bill Clinton had a booming economy with no economic collapse. George W. Bush had a booming economy based on a house of cards that turned down in 2007 and collapsed in 2008. Remember?

Four percent unemployment? You would have to go back to the Clinton administration to find a time when the unemployment rate was 4 percent.

$2 gas? Yes Bush had $2 gas. He also had $4 gas. But I won't blame him because presidents don't have control over the price of gas.

Balanced budgets? There have been only four balanced budgets in the past 40 years. The vaunted Ronald Reagan had none of them. Clinton had three in 1998, 1999 and 2000. The fourth in 2001 (courtesy of Clinton) was under Bush. Once Bush took over, it was all downhill -- not a single balanced budget of his own making.

As for the United States' AAA credit rating, it was downgraded for the first time in history in August 2011 when the Republicans in Congress wanted to sabotage Obama's economic recovery, so they refused to increase the debt ceiling. As a direct result, the Obama economic recovery stalled, thousands of jobs were lost and Standard and Poor's downgraded the U.S. credit rating. Anybody remember that? As most of you know, the lower your credit rating, the higher the cost of borrowing. What the Republicans did was self serving, unpatriotic and costly to the U.S. government. And you, the citizens of the United States, will pay for it in the long run.

Do not reward the Republicans with an electoral victory in November! Or, you will pay for it!

Waller H. Wilson, Front Royal


But we're already "paying for it" after electing the community organizer, Waller!

I can understand the tone of panic (and anger)revealed by the president's supporters...

Last night's VEEP debate didn't help matters:

The adult between the two is the one 27 years younger.

Both men did what they set out to do: Biden stemmed the hemorrhaging to a constant oozing; Ryan demonstrated his statesmanship and command of the facts. So, both did no harm to their realm of support.

But Joe blew it miserably with regard to the undecideds -- especially women. In short: Biden acted as a jerk.

Laughin' Joe even began arguing with -- and interrupting -- the moderator! He was undeniably testy and lecturing with her!...(Snicker, Guffaw, Snort, Chuckle...A heartbeat away from the Button and he's high on Joker Juice.)

The most outrageous thing he claimed was that their Benghazi fiasco is only because of the intelligence services -- the very entity he then relies upon to assure us that he'll absolutely know when Iran has a bomb!

Perhaps the goofiest thing he uttered was that he always means what he says...YIKES!

The president is the one who shouldn't be 'rewarded' with a victory next month!

What Biden did particularly well throughout the evening was call out Ryan on his hypocrisies, like when the Wisconsin congressman tried to attack Obama for America’s mounting deficit. The vice president merely pointed out that the Republican had personally voted to authorize two wars, in addition to voting for a prescription drug benefit and a trillion dollar tax cut, which, as Biden put it, Republicans put on the country’s “credit card.” “All of a sudden, they’re so seized with concern for the debt they created,” he said.

- Truthdigs

Biden won the debate and exposed the Romney/Ryan ticket for the "truth challenge" they suffer. Wouldn't want to be disrespectful here and call them LIARS, of course.

Didn't realize Fox was showing the debates, Mr. Flathers. While "Laughin' Joe will provide comics with much material, Biden was the winner of last night's debate.

Unfortunately we still have a few weeks to go before this, over the top, expensive campaign is done. Big money, corporate interest, and Super Pacs (with the blessing of the Supreme Court) have taken these elections to a new high.

Neither party is innocent and I'm not sure Americans have the energy to rise up against this corruption but there is a growing discontent with the status quo. Maybe a third party candidate will come along and make a difference, but we aren't there yet.

Get the facts straight; so true.

The Ryan debate was marked by some spirited claims that didn’t always match the facts.

1. Ryan said Obama’s proposal to let tax rates rise for high-income individuals would “tax about 53 percent of small-business income.” Wrong. Ryan is counting giant hedge funds and thousands of other multimillion-dollar enterprises as “small” businesses.
2. Ryan was wrong when he said a rise in the jobless rate in Biden’s hometown was “how it’s going all around America.” The rate nationally has sunk back to where it was when Obama took office. And in Ryan’s hometown, it’s more than 4 percentage points lower that it was at the start of Obama’s term.
3. Ryan claimed the Obama administration spent stimulus money on “electric cars in Finland.” Not true. Although the cars have been assembled in Finland, the money went for work in the United States.
4. Ryan misquoted a Medicare official as saying “one out of six hospitals and nursing homes are going to go out of business” as a result of the Affordable Care Act. Not quite. The official said that many could become “unprofitable,” and the the situation could be monitored to head off bad outcomes.
5. Ryan claimed that the ACA contains “taxpayer funding” of abortion. In fact the law provides no direct funding of abortion except in cases of rape or incest or to save the mother’s life. And it’s a matter of interpretation whether subsidized private insurance would amount to indirect federal support for abortion.
6.Ryan was off base when he said of a cost-saving panel created by the Affordable Care Act, “not one of them even has to have medical training.” Actually, the board must include physicians and other health care professionals among its members.
(7. 8. 9.) Ryan at one point ground out a collection of shopworn misstatements about the health care law that we’ve had to rebut time and again, claiming 7“20 million people … are projected to lose their health insurance” (not true), 8 that premiums have gone up $3,000 (no, theyRyan continued to twist the facts about Romney’s tax plan. Biden again misrepresented the findings of the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, and Ryan repeated a misleading claim that “six studies have verified” that the plan is mathematically possible. haven’t) and 9 that 7.4 million seniors “are going to lose” Medicare Advantage plans (maybe, but they’d still be covered by traditional Medicare).
10. Ryan repeated a misleading claim that “six studies have verified” that the plan is mathematically possible.

The Biden debate was marked by some spirited claims that didn’t always match the facts.

1. Biden exaggerated when he said House Republicans cut funding for embassy security by $300 million. The amount approved for fiscal year 2012 was $264 million less than requested, and covers construction and maintenance, not just security.
2. Biden seemed to question Ryan’s assertion that administration officials called Syrian President Bashar Assad “a reformer” even when he was killing his own civilian countrymen. Ryan was right. Early in the bloody Syrian uprising Hillary Clinton called Assad a “different leader” who many in Congress believe is “a reformer.”
3. Biden quoted Romney as saying that he would not “move heaven and earth” to get Osama bin Laden. What Romney said was that he’d go after other terrorists as well.
4. Biden again misrepresented the findings of the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.


Vice President Joe Biden landed a severe blow to Rep. Paul Ryan's argument that the stimulus was a terrible decision.

Letter 1. Ryan tells the White House's Secretary of Energy how much he supports a local geothermal energy company's bid for stimulus money, and how he requests the Executive's strong consideration.

Letter 2. Ryan recommends the Milwaukee Area Technical College's bid for stimulus money:

Letter 3. The third letter asks for stimulus money to go to the Energy Center of Wisconsin for energy efficient housing work:

Letter 4. The fourth letter asks for stimulus money — which Ryan says would create or retain around 7,600 jobs — for an energy efficiency block grant:

http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-ryan-stimulus-money-letters-2012-10#ixzz295mfwmh1 (To read Ryan's request for stimulus money, access link)

Dear Flathers,

Directions: Open mouth. Insert foot. Chew vigorously. Salt and pepper to taste.

At the beginning of the debate Ryan promised he would tell the truth. Already, he was lying. Where, oh where, do you suppose he acquired the nickname, "Lyin' Ryan"?

This is America, dammit, where area 51 is just another military site until aliens are introduced, where unintended acceleration only happens to cars with automatics, where the President is no fun unless he was born in Kenya, where a low-volume conversation about gun control is beyond our ken, and where scratches appearing on my passenger-side door are not my fault but the late night work of an escaped maniac with an iron hook instead of a hand.

I have no proof but I think Canada is planning something.

Benghazi, Diana.

ROFLMAO: I'm sure you have a point in there somewhere.......or, maybe not.

"Area 51," etc?

"The federal stimulus plan began in February 2009. Here we join together all of the data used on the government's stimulus Web site with thousands of other recovery spending records. Our data includes recipient-reported data through the second quarter of 2012, which was released in July 2012." (Last update Oct. 1, 2012.)


"It’s clear that the Obama stimulus did nothing to stimulate the economy,” ~ Paul Ryan

No, I never asked for stimulus,” ~ Paul Ryan

After having these letters called to my attention, I checked into them, and they were treated as constituent service requests in the same way matters involving Social Security or Veterans Affairs are handled,” Ryan said in a statement. “This is why I didn’t recall the letters earlier.

Oh, come now, Paul, one of the biggest debates in your career, this stimulus package, and your staff is going to stick something that explosive under your nose and say sign just sign here, without a brief? Now, Paul, you know perfectly well...that ain't gonna happen!


One poster's comment: "Mitt Romney is a shameless sociopath with narcissistic personality disorder. Obama is no saint, but Romney is a disaster waiting to happen."

Ann Romney's biggest concern if her husband becomes president would be his ability to maintain his "mental well-being," she said in an interview Thursday with KTVN in Reno, Nev. DOI: September 28, 2012)

“After having these letters (requesting taxpayer bailout money i.e., stimulus money) brought to my attention, I checked into them, and they were treated as constituent service requests in the same way matters involving Social Security or Veterans Affairs are handled,” Ryan said in a statement. “This is why I didn’t recall the letters earlier.”

So, Mr. Ryan. you expect us to believe that the stimulus money--which you voted against--is passed out as casually as requesting the services listed below? And you are also telling us that matters concerning Social Security and Veternans Affairs also fall within this routine admin parameter?

Example of 'Congressional Constituent Services' (CCS)

-- Get a Flag Flown Over the Capitol
U.S. flags actually flown over the Capitol Building in Washington, D.C., can be ordered from allsenators and representatives.

-- Plan Your Visit to Washington, D.C.
Your members of Congress know their way around Washington, D.C., and they can help you enjoy a great visit.

-- Get Information on Grants
Remembering that very few federal grants are available to individuals, your senators andrepresentatives are well equipped to provide information on grants.

-- Get a Special Greeting Card
Last but far from least, you can request a very nice, personalized greeting card from your senator or representative commemorating special events like birthdays, anniversaries, graduations or other life achievements.

-- Get a Special Autographed Picture of You

"Getting the facts straight" being the issue at hand, your posting of the Mitt-is-nuts narrative not very compelling, Jane08...

But the narcissism-of-Romney thing is simply beyond any reason -- or demonstrable fact (he's universally known for his reticence with discussing himself.) You're confusing him with his opponent on that one.

I'm not to sure whether your cut 'n paste by the hour is helping the president's cause in the Valley, either.

Suffolk has pulled-out of FL, NC and here because they consider these states a lock for Romney.

Few have the time to match you point by point through that format -- so, the absence of dissent gives no credence to your claims.

So, in your own words, what's the point with all these type of postings?

I am recouping from surgery so time is on my side. :)

Did you WATCH the ubtube video?


The Mendacity of Mitt Romney Lying To The Teabillies

As of Friday 10-12-2012, the number of Mitt Romney lies has reached 804, listed here chronologically, including reference source web links.


This is getting so bad it's getting funny. The left belives what they want the right does the same .
My grandpa always said don't belive anything you hear and half of what you see and you'll be pretty close to the truth.
I understand that it dosn't matter to all of you .since you are sheep to your side , but to us (undecided) also known as independants -it's are we and our family and freinds also throw in our comunity any better off than we were 4 yrs ago??

Mr. Wilson is correct. Obama is a god and the Republicans are the spawn of Satan.

Funny. Should read Teabillies are the spawn of Satan. There are some normal, sane conservatives. Realistic and able to compromise. Problem is they are labeled RINOs.

And Obama is not God, we all know that God is a woman ;)

So why is everyone so afraid to take five minutes to watch this video?


@whatever, That's great advice you heard from your wise old grandpa. I also have heard and know that saying very well.

@oscar, Obama is NOT a God; a God would have had a MUCH better debate!

@Katybug, Right on!.

MOUNT VERNON, Ohio — Mitt Romney will stop mentioning a former Navy SEAL killed in the attacks on the U.S. Consulate in Libya last month in his campaign speeches, according to aides, after the man’s mother said the GOP presidential candidate should stop invoking her son’s name.

“I don’t trust Romney. He shouldn’t make my son’s death part of his political agenda,” Barbara Doherty said in a statement broadcast Wednesday on WHDH-TV in Boston. “It’s wrong to use these brave young men, who wanted freedom for all, to degrade Obama.”

Barbara Doherty’s son Glen was killed last month in the consulate attack.

Campaign aides later clarified that Romney will no longer mention of Doherty while campaigning after doing so at least three times this week, most recently on Wednesday in Ohio.


Ah, what a guy, that Mr. Romney! It only took the pleading of a grieving Mother to get him to back off from capitalizing on her son's death for his political gain.

You're right in that everyone believes what we want. I don't ask am "I" better off. I am, but that's beside the point. I do however look at the country. Because no matter how good things are going, there will always be families/people facing some sort of crisis. Whether it be lay-offs, people unable to pay mortgages, illness, whatever..its just whether or not its en mass. As a country we are recovering, albeit slowly. We live in an age where we expect everything lightening fast, because there isn't much that isn't convenient. Its easy to say everything should be a million times better, but you would be an idiot or bs'ing for your own gain. The recession didn't happen over night, it took years and years of bad decisions before our house of cards fell. "I" said to the other half the night President Obama won, its going to take more than 4 years. I've learned alot more since that time about what led to our economy and I stand by my thoughts 4 years ago.

So here we are, we keep going with the President, or hire Romney. Romney's "business" experience doesn't appeal to me. I worked manufacturing, that is now in Mexico. The business practices that made him rich, just do not benefit the working family, plain and simple. They benefit the top and are what helped to destroy a major industry in America. It's the demand of the common man that drives the economy, not a couple new Caddy's a Romney buys. I don't like a man without conviction. Romney stands for everything and nothing. I may disagree with some of President Obama's ideas, but I know he doesn't change ideas daily depending on the crowd, or wind, or whatever. Has he flipped? Sure, they all do, but Romney set records. "I" can't trust anything Romney says, at all. *Except the secret video, I believe that was his thoughts pure and simple, even if he did double down then totally flip under pressure.
I don't like that he can't detail anything he proposes, yet argues against the only available conclusions. Such as his unpaid for tax cuts. "He" says its possible, yet no one can explain how without hurting the middle class in some way. Last night, Ryan side stepped Iran. They claim Obama's handling is not working and sanctions will not work. So what is their plan? We all know their plan, even though he wouldn't answer. We would be at war. Did Iraq and Afghanistan teach us nothing at all? Another war will not fix the economy any more than the last two.
I've gone on long enough, its a point by point arguement. Economically we are better than the downfall we were in. Socially, yes we are divided more politically. But if we just give up moving forward, then the birthers, baggers, the "I need an excuse to hate the black man" win. The party before country wins. We will never get anywhere without people in office that can't compromise. Where would we be now if the last two years if one side wasn't playing "my way or no way"?

Q: Does that mean seniors will still be guaranteed Medicare under the Romney-Ryan plan?

A: Not necessarily. While the Romney-Ryan plan preserves Medicare as an option, the voucher will not necessarily be adequate to pay for it.


Katybug: "Did Iraq and Afghanistan teach us nothing at all? Another war will not fix the economy any more than the last two." Right you are.

Food for thought:

Did you know that the U.S. and U.K. entered into an agreement called "The Anglo-American Loan Agreement", a post World War II loan made to the United Kingdom by the United States on 15 July 1946, and it was just paid off 29 December 2006?

How long will the U.S. be paying for these two wars?

"In recent years, Republicans have been characterized by two principal positions: They like starting wars and don't like paying for them. George W. Bush initiated two major wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but adamantly refused to pay for either of them by cutting non-military spending or raising taxes. Indeed, at his behest, Congress actually cut taxes and established a massive new entitlement program, Medicare Part D...Bush's actions were unprecedented. During every previous major war in American history, presidents demanded sacrifices from rich and poor alike. On the eve of war in December 2002, Office of Management and Budget (OMB) director Mitch Daniels claimed that the war in Iraq could be fought at a total cost of $50 billion to $60 billion. Indeed, Bush even fired his top economic adviser, Lawrence Lindsey, for saying publicly that the war might cost between $100 billion and $200 billion.

"Of course, both Daniels and Lindsey grossly underestimated the actual cost. According to a recent report from the Congressional Research Service (CRS), the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have cost close to $1 trillion thus far.

"In 1950 and 1951 Congress increased taxes by close to 4% of GDP to pay for the Korean War. HWBush (41) raised taxes in 1990 in part to pay for the first Gulf War."

Hey, Flathers, Are ya out there? Have ya watched the video yet?


Thanks for posting that video of the unbelievable number of Romney's flip-flops and lies----and from his own lyin' mouth!

All politicians will bend the truth now and then, but Romney/Ryan have set a new, low-bar for the amount of out-and-out lies in their campaign.

The "moderate" former Massachusetts governor, Romney who touted his pro-choice position and passed mandated health care changes positions like a chameleon changes colors to then proudly state he is "severly CONservative" when in the Republican Primaries. How can you believe anything he says when he has changed his position so very many times.

I will repeat what you said, Jane: So, Flathers, have you seen that video?

song98, Yes, that video was very revealing and no one can say there is anything fraudulent in it.

What bothers me the most is the fact that this man is a high priest in the Church and has no problem with lying as he does. Doesn't speak too well of the teaching/training in at religion, does it?

"[T]he fact that Mitt Romney, the first Mormon candidate for the presidency in our nation’s history, is not only a bishop in the LDS church but a High Priest of the highest echelon (the “order of Melchizedek”) within that religion, and is not being opposed because of the “separation of church and state,” is an indication that Americans do not consider him a bona fide Christian. In contrast, one can imagine what would happen if a Catholic or Lutheran or Episcopalian bishop or priest sought the presidency. An impossibility! … It is becoming clear that—from the ‘ordinary’ Christian point of view—Mormon “high priesthood” is a sui generis order, possibly analogous to higher Masonic degrees, incorporated into a religion quite different from most Christian denominations."


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