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Letter to the Editor: Why re-elect Obama?


Editor:

Why re-elect President Barack Obama? Our president inherited two wars and the biggest financial crisis since the Great Depression. He has acted with determination and care - certainly proving his trustworthiness in a crisis.

Romney is not a communicator, nor is he a leader. Like a weather vane, he changes his position with the wind. Making millions and outsourcing American jobs hardly qualifies him to best lead this nation.

With the lies he has put out on all the issues, he has brought dishonesty to a new art form. Do you prefer to gamble with a Wall Street tycoon or with a man who has served as the president of this country with honesty and courage for the past four years?

If you wish to see the rich benefit even more, vote for Romney.

If you hope that all Americans benefit from future prosperity, vote for Obama.

Robert L. Arner, Edinburg

79 Comments



Inherited? He asked for it, campaigned for it, spent millions to get it, and promised to fix it!

Determination? Care? Trustworthiness? Where were those qualities when he failed to provide requested security to our people in Benghazi? When he gave $535M to Solyndra and $4.7B to other green energy companies? When he broke his promise to make his administration transparent (not to mention his personal info)?

Accusations against Romney? Undocumented. A favorite tactic of the left - say something often enough and hope it becomes true.

Rich benefit even more? Liberals say we are better off today than we were four years ago. So it follows that if the middle class has prospered, so has the rich. And if the rich prosper under Romney, so will the middle class.

again typical. Rrove your own "undocumented" points. Please provide the proof of President Obama's denial of security in Benghazi, especially after Congress voted to allocate less funding than the President requested for such measures. Tell us more about Konarka and please prove to us that every single green energy firm that received funds went belly up. For someone "supposedly" more constitutional leaning, love seeing the support for big oil welfare. Corporations can't own the sun or the air so its just not possible right? Personal info? You a birther now too? Or one of those 1984 people that thinks the Government and the MSM went back and created laws just to protect President Obama? Do you miss the good ole days when you could just throw your sheet on and not have to make up excuses?

That said, there is absolutely nothing the writer said about Willard that isn't common knowledge unless you are standing there fingers in ears "la la la la"..."I'll make up my own reality"

Hey Super Patriot.

you do realize that it was the republicans who cut the funding for security after their 2010 takeover right?

Stop pissing on us and telling us it's trickle down economics. that policy failed during Reaganomics, that policy failed during 2 Bush eras and you expect different in 2012?

have the "rich" done better since Obama took office? "You Betcha" has it trickled down even a little? of course it hasn't.

Why is it that the local "rep" of the tea party patriots in Va has an Iowa phone number?

deception and lies are the only thing the radical wing on the GOP is good for.

*Idaho, not Iowa

Front Royal Rod Lee (208) 869-xxxx

Don'tcha just love how the tea party member attempts to project the tactics they use " say something often enough and hope it becomes true."

to turn themselves into the persecuted victim.

Weather vane...
1994 "I believe abortion should be safe and legal in this country"
2001 "I do not wish to be labeled pro-choice"
2002 "I will preserve and protect a woman's right to choose"
2007 "We should overturn Roe vs Wade"
2011 "I will advocate for and support a Pain-Capable Unborn Child protection Act"
Just the other day: "There is no legislation with regards to abortion that I'm familiar with that would become part of my agenda"
Just a couple hours later:"Mitt Romney is proudly pro-life and will be a pro-life President"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_pgfWK3sxw

Willard's largest claim to fame as a business example... Staples is still on US soil...except for those stores closing up shop

http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/25/news/companies/staples-store-closings/index.html

Ah well, theres always other minimum-low wage jobs without benefits right? The Republican American Dream.

Hey Katybug, this election is far from over: the die-hards are still waiting for the "bathing suit" contest. ;)

I told you that phony baloney performance from Romney was going to turn a few heads. Weather Vane Willard must be dizzy from the spinning!

Imagine letting 90 minutes of lies decide a vote. It's mind blowing, isn't it.

Well I guess the VP debate tonight will be under the looking glass. DING! In this corner, wearing a big smile, we have. . . .(and so it goes). SNL should have no problem getting more material and if all of this were not so scary it would be funny - indeed.

Every few days, escaping from the roadside weeds, Mitt Romney re-appears, having re-invented himself all over again, earnestly trying to flip-flop-flip his way into the minds of undecided voters without offending the Teabillies. Who will he be this week?

Considering that Ryan's RNC speech earned him the moniker "Lyin Ryan", do you think he will outdo Willard's 27 lies to 38 min ratio? I know this debate really doesn't matter all that much but I'm still looking forward to it.

I hit several raw nerves this time. And again, instead of attacking the message, personal attacks against the messenger. The proof of security denial is in the recent Congressional inquiries. But I don't have to prove anything. Question is - can you disprove? Oh, yes, common knowledge. NOVA Tea Party has 703 phone #. http://northernvirginiateaparty.com/ Shenandoah Valley Constitutional Conservatives (not a Tea Party) is local http://shenandoahvalleyconstitutionalconservatives.org/ Go to a meeting before you criticize.

Trustworthy?

LOL!
Obama’s selective defense of the Constitution
Obama’s cheeky Humpty Dumpty rejoinder was: I decide what “recess” means, not the courts.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-will-obamas-selective-defense-of-the-constitution/2012/10/10/97139eb8-126c-11e2-ba83-a7a396e6b2a7_story.html?tid=pm_pop

2 times in just the past week, the Obama campaign (approved by Obama) have used ads that 'weren't' authorized to use groups in their ads and have been asked to stop using them (NAACP & Sesame Street). What were they thinking without asking first?? Or were they NOT thinking?

Obama campaign: "We do care about fact checks. We do care about the honesty of our ads,"

Obama is NOW BLAMING PRES. CLINTON too for the economy! Not just Bush.
From a speech in Va Beach:
"And I won't pretend that getting there is easy. The truth is it's going to take a few more years to solve challenges that were bui
lding up OVER DECADES, . . . "
Did anyone else notice he said 'over decades' besides me? That would also mean the Clinton Administration is including with causing these problems we are having.

PLEASE remember, President Obama was BOTH a LAWYER & PROFESSOR before he was elected to office. VERY IMPORTANT!!

Obama told Univision's Jorge Ramos, who anchored yesterday's event with Maria Elena Salinas when asked about immigration reform:
"I am happy to take responsibility for the fact that we didn't get it done," Obama said.
The president placed blame squarely on Republicans.

THEN YOU AREN'T
TAKING RESPONSIBILITY, ARE YOU? Which is it? Are you taking responsibility or blaming someone else (Republicans)?

EVEN this WH administration is DOING THINGS THAT FAVOR THE WEALTHY/RICH.
How's that for talking out of 'both sides' of their mouth.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/20/news/economy/federal-reserve-rich/index.html?fb_action_ids=10151063612267549&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

Like... I can't argue with Bob. My grandad told me not to discuss politics with the obstinate. ~valley patriot

Is that an example of instead of attacking the message, personal attacks against the messenger?

Or perhaps the first comment here?

Or just unable defend your previous points hopping to another BS train?

Reply to Katybug > You got me.

John, first you give us an op-ed piece. "I" can't find anything on google that actually shows Obama as saying what the op-ed claims. I can only find other sites referencing the piece. So please provide some real information.

Second Big Bird? NAACP? Dang you got the campaign there. Do you think Big Bird's Mother will have to come out publicly to demand that the camp stop using her son as a political football?? Because absolutely nothing says patriotism and honesty like using the deaths of others for your own gain. Right Willard?

Third you claim that by saying our problems of built up over decades, that's blaming Clinton. Take off your dunce cap please. Our problems have been building since Saint Reagan introduced trickle-down supply-side economics to the masses. Decades worth of bad decisions went into our recession, near depression. If you took the time to actually learn about the mortgage crisis, you might just figure out it began under Reagan. Maybe the Alzheimer's was setting in early?? Either way, do a little research, learn something, you might get a headache from all the reading, but it won't kill you.

Then you go on to say that the White House is giving the Federal Reserve orders. Here, go learn how that works
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System

This is how ROMNEY works...

http://www.flackcheck.org/taking-down-the-worst/2012/did-romneys-attacks-on-obamas-green-energy-spending-zap-the-facts/?utm_source=FlackCheck.org%27s+Weekly+Update&utm_campaign=839a310304-weeklyupdate&utm_medium=email

This video is based on the FactCheck.org article “Romney’s Clean Energy Whoppers”

So, DEBT, this is the man you support...'splains a lot!

Sorry Debt, the Fed isn't perfect but I simply don't buy into the whole Libertarian POV on it. Fun fact: The USA never followed a true gold standard. Another Fun fact: not a single other country follows it. Fun opinion: if we abolished the Fed to follow outdated, already tried ideas that no other country operates on...the economy would never recover the blow, there would be no USA.

Thats my short answer anyhow as this letter was not a debate on the pros vs cons of the Federal Reserve.

Actually, Debt, if you actually listen to that video, it claims the Feds have been wrong for 20 years that would be the terms of George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Barack Obama. So what's you point? Fifteen years of Bushes?

Joe did well tonight. Too bad he ruined it with rude behavior.

October 10, 2012
House Republicans slash embassy security funding, then investigate inadequate security at the embassy in Libya.

Via Steve Benen, I see that Darrell Issa might have a wee problem on his hands when holds his hearings today about inadequate security at the Benghazi consulate. Dana Milbank reports:

House Republicans cut the administration’s request for embassy security funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012….Last year, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that Republicans’ proposed cuts to her department would be “detrimental to America’s national security” — a charge Republicans rejected.

Ryan, Issa and other House Republicans voted for an amendment in 2009 to cut $1.2 billion from State operations, including funds for 300 more diplomatic security positions. Under Ryan’s budget, non-defense discretionary spending, which includes State Department funding, would be slashed nearly 20 percent in 2014, which would translate to more than $400 million in additional cuts to embassy security.

That’s the problem with budget cutting: it sounds great when you’re thumping tubs on the campaign trail in front of adoring tea party crowds, but when the actual work of governing comes up, those cuts have to come from actual programs that do actual things. Like protecting our embassies.

‎"I accept my church's doctrine in my personal life but I REFUSE to IMPOSE it upon other people of different cultures." Joe Biden

I say good for Joe. Mind you, I despise Ryan, so Joe could have reached over and smacked the theoretical taste out of Ryan's mouth every time he tried to distort facts and I'd probably appreciate old Joe even more. Joe was Joe.

*Before someone else says it (to my knowledge) it is not entirely impossible that Biden wasn't coached to bite. It gives a measure for the campaign as to how far the President can push before he falls into the "angry black man" trap some on the right were already laying the work for pre-first debate.

Its all a show in politics and all designed to grab your vote.

@ jane8 - You do know that the Senate plays a role in the budget process, don't you? And that the dimorats control the Senate?

@ katybug - play nice.

Katybug - THIS IS INCREDIBLE!!!! INCREDIBLE!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_pgfWK3sxw


I could NOT finish watching this; actually started feeling sick.

There have been numerous posts by several people calling Ryan a liar. Someone please tell me what specific lies he has told.

I wish more people would watch that. Willard is simply a feather in the wind. But that video is Willard contradicting Willard.

vp: jane8 - You do know that the Senate plays a role in the budget process, don't you? And that the dimorats control the Senate?

Yep, I sure do.

"The Washington Post’s Dana Milbank breaks it all down:
"For fiscal 2013, the GOP-controlled House proposed spending $1.934 billion for the State Department’s Worldwide Security Protection program — well below the $2.15 billion requested by the Obama administration. House Republicans cut the administration’s request for embassy security funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012. (Negotiations with the Democrat-controlled Senate restored about $88 million of the administration’s request.) Last year, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that Republicans’ proposed cuts to her department would be “detrimental to America’s national security” — a charge Republicans rejected.
"[GOP vice presidential nominee Paul] Ryan, [Rep. Darrell] Issa and other House Republicans voted for an amendment in 2009 to cut $1.2 billion from State operations, including funds for 300 more diplomatic security positions. Under Ryan’s budget, non-defense discretionary spending, which includes State Department funding, would be slashed nearly 20 percent in 2014, which would translate to more than $400 million in additional cuts to embassy security.

Okay a fact check on Ryan's RNC speech where his nickname was born...

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/paul-ryan/

http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-ryan-rnc-speech-fact-check-misleading-credit-medicare-simpson-bowles-2012-8

A google search of "Ryan's RNC fact check" will lead you to tons of sites

Paul Ryans politifact page

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/paul-ryan/

Preview 3 true, 5 mostly true, 6 half true, 9 mostly false, 3 false, 2 pants on fire

read their deductions

Sigh..1 am I'm late for bed AGAIN!..on the RNC speech my first link should have been

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/08/ryans-vp-spin/

Although, I believe politifact answers them all somewhere as well.

The Ryan, debate was marked by some spirited claims that didn’t always match the facts.

1. Ryan said Obama’s proposal to let tax rates rise for high-income individuals would “tax about 53 percent of small-business income.” Wrong. Ryan is counting giant hedge funds and thousands of other multimillion-dollar enterprises as “small” businesses.

2. Ryan was wrong when he said a rise in the jobless rate in Biden’s hometown was “how it’s going all around America.” The rate nationally has sunk back to where it was when Obama took office. And in Ryan’s hometown, it’s more than 4 percentage points lower that it was at the start of Obama’s term.

3. Ryan claimed the Obama administration spent stimulus money on “electric cars in Finland.” Not true. Although the cars have been assembled in Finland, the money went for work in the United States.

4. Ryan misquoted a Medicare official as saying “one out of six hospitals and nursing homes are going to go out of business” as a result of the Affordable Care Act. Not quite. The official said that many could become “unprofitable,” and the the situation could be monitored to head off bad outcomes.

5. Ryan claimed that the ACA contains “taxpayer funding” of abortion. In fact the law provides no direct funding of abortion except in cases of rape or incest or to save the mother’s life. And it’s a matter of interpretation whether subsidized private insurance would amount to indirect federal support for abortion.

6. Ryan was off base when he said of a cost-saving panel created by the Affordable Care Act, “not one of them even has to have medical training.” Actually, the board must include physicians and other health care professionals among its members.

(7. 8. 9.) Ryan at one point ground out a collection of shopworn misstatements about the health care law that we’ve had to rebut time and again, claiming 7“20 million people … are projected to lose their health insurance” (not true), 8 that premiums have gone up $3,000 (no, theyRyan continued to twist the facts about Romney’s tax plan. Biden again misrepresented the findings of the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, and Ryan repeated a misleading claim that “six studies have verified” that the plan is mathematically possible. haven’t) and 9 that 7.4 million seniors “are going to lose” Medicare Advantage plans (maybe, but they’d still be covered by traditional Medicare).

10. Ryan repeated a misleading claim that “six studies have verified” that the plan is mathematically possible.


The Biden debate was marked by some spirited claims that didn’t always match the facts.

1. Biden exaggerated when he said House Republicans cut funding for embassy security by $300 million. The amount approved for fiscal year 2012 was $264 million less than requested, and covers construction and maintenance, not just security.

2. Biden seemed to question Ryan’s assertion that administration officials called Syrian President Bashar Assad “a reformer” even when he was killing his own civilian countrymen. Ryan was right. Early in the bloody Syrian uprising Hillary Clinton called Assad a “different leader” who many in Congress believe is “a reformer.”

3. Biden quoted Romney as saying that he would not “move heaven and earth” to get Osama bin Laden. What Romney said was that he’d go after other terrorists as well.

4. Biden again misrepresented the findings of the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.

(Source: FactCheck.com)

Jane8, Katybug;
Thank you both for your tireless and immensely refreshing efforts to bring out the facts.

valleypatriot;
You have stubbornly not noticed the Tea Party has become a waning, mostly ignored influence and is now circling the drain?

Obama flip-flops:

1. Keeping Guantanamo open
2. Bringing back military tribunals for terror suspects (New York Times)
3. Continuing renditions of terror suspects (Foreign Affairs & New York Times)
4. Ordering military action in Libya without seeking Congressional authorization (Boston Globe)
5. Dropping Third Site missile defenses in order to appease the Russians (Prague speech in April 2009)
6. Letting Sudan off the hook for the Darfur genocide (2004 speech)
7. Backing a federal Europe after defending national sovereignty (2009 speech)
8. Pledging to restore America’s standing in the world but lowering it instead (insulting UK, bowing to other leaders)
9. Dumping Mubarak in Egypt after calling him a "stalwart ally" (2009 interview; 2011 statement)
10. Killing the NASA manned space program (Washington Post)

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100083104/the-u-turn-president-barack-obama-top-ten-flip-flops/

P.S. - Unemployment figures suspect. Last two months showed biggest decreases since 01/12. Very timely.

In 2003, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette described the St. Petersburg Times as a "usually liberal" newspaper. On January 1, 2012 the St. Petersburg Times was renamed the Tampa Bay Times. The Tampa Bay Times operates PolitiFact.com. Conclusion: politifact leans to port.

@ jane8 - almost fair analysis. You didn't mention Biden's discourteous and disrespectful behavior. #10 criticism of Ryan might have gone away if Biden had not interrupted him.

"In 2003, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette described the St. Petersburg Times as a "usually liberal" newspaper. On January 1, 2012 the St. Petersburg Times was renamed the Tampa Bay Times. The Tampa Bay Times operates PolitiFact.com. Conclusion: politifact leans to port."


The beckster blackboards work on some.

can I also guess you're one still clinging to the "muslim brotherhood" and Hillary Clintons aid and the "birther" aspect too right?

Just what America needs, the conspiracy theorists in charge of reality.

1. GITMO - In order to close it the prisoners have to go somewhere. That is the issue. Made impossible by the GOP vote not to allow the prisoners in our cities, on our soil. What would you propose, simply let them all go?
2. With a GOP making it impossible to try the prisoners stateside, what other option is there?
3.Works hand in hand with 1&2. (I have to be honest here and say "I" wouldn't want prisoners in our local jails either)
4. Libya. I love this one. Because Republicans were asking for the USA to intervene prior to the President actually doing so. I would bet you 100.00 that if the President sent the same forces to Syria tomorrow...the same Republicans that have been calling for action, would flip to bemoaning the President doing so. Libya was handled without full on war and waves of troops sent overseas, of course that doesn't sit well with the war mongering crowd. *I am perfectly okay with how it was handled. The Republicans are just pouting they didn't get full on war.
5.The President didn't entirely flop on this one. Yes Bush's plans were scrapped, for a better one.
6. Doesn't effect "me" as a voter. While saving the world is a noble cause, its just not one I feel should come at the cost of our own country. (and please... don't even try to pretend the Republicans care more abt those folks)
7. Over my head tbh. Not to mention severely lacking information, fragmented quotes and all.
8. and 9. Are the authors opinions and the author even follows the strict GOP tactic of using a fragment of what was said to imply his own meaning. Not to mention information simply changes.
10. This ruling isn't a direct contradiction, but it covers the issue...
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/oct/28/chain-email/chain-e-mail-claims-obama-first-president-terminat/

Employment figures suspect. I know right! just look how hard the GOP has worked to obstruct anything and everything that would help America heal lest it be attributed to Obama. Killing Jobs bills. Killing Veterans bills. They worked hard to be the party of no, and do less than any other Congress in history. (REALLY? So the Labor Dept was trustworthy as long as things were bad, but first sign of good, and its cooked? REALLY?)

You don't have to like Politifact, or Factcheck, but guess what? they link you to sources and tell you where to find the information they used to make their rulings. Politifact even gives Obama 86 promises broken. You should email them and explain its not in-line with the MSM conspiracy and they should change those to promises kept immediately!

*My PS. I was playing nice. In complete honestly I'd like to lock Ryan in a cell with a few Bubbas for a month. Then he could tell me what is force-able or not.

You do realize the wiki says both cons and libs have called it bias, and goes on to show controversies from both sides not liking their rulings?...just saying

Wiki huh?

isn;'t that the same site that changed the meaning of paul reveres ride to suit Sarah Palin?

Wiki can be changed by ANYONE. don't waste my time.

again I will ask...
"can I also guess you're one still clinging to the "muslim brotherhood" and Hillary Clintons aid and the "birther" aspect too right?"

Wiki did lock the candidates pages for the election cycle to prevent abuse. I read that on Yahoo news back when America was deciding between 9-9-9, temper tantrum boy, another hick from Texas, the cult follower, bat chit lady, grandpa, the only sane guy on the island...who did I forget?

It doesn't change the things they lie about or are just plain stupid in Palin's case, but they did lock their pages.

vp: "You didn't mention Biden's discourteous and disrespectful behavior.'"

Biden was merely attempting to follow the example Romney set during R-O first debate; i.e., interrupting everyone, running over the narrator, not at all courteous; unfortunately, Biden couldn't pull off the aggressiveness and rudeness as well as Romney did. And Biden just couldn't measure up to as much lying as Romney is capable of...although Ryan has them both beat in that department.

@ jockstrap > You have misjudged the Tea Party's ability to influence and prematurely called the coroner.

In researching her book, "The Tea Party and the Remaking of Republican Conservatism," Harvard professor Theda Skocpol found that about 1,000 local tea party groups formed in 2009-2010. Today, she estimates there are about 600. A declining number, yes, but still what Skocpol, an expert on civic engagement, calls "a very good survival rate."

"They're not dressing up and going to demonstrations in the street. They're meeting. They're poring over the legislative records of these Republicans that they've elected. They're contacting their representatives, and they're keeping the pressure on. They're following the debates, and they're going and they're voting.

"They're determined," she says, "and they haven't gone away."

To weigh the continuing success or influence of the tea party by inside-the-Beltway measures – endorsements, numbers of chapters and "constituents," dollars or even wins or losses at the polls – is to miss the point and ignore the power of the movement today, says Skocpol. That stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of what the tea party was and is.

It was never an "it," a party with a capital "P" in the sense of a third political party, though at one point some tea party insiders may have toyed with the idea and outsiders treated it almost as such. (Consider CNN's decision to televise the tea party response to President Obama's 2011 State of the Union address.)

Rather, it is an ideology and a style of politics – one that "has been in the business of pulling the Republican Party away from the possibility of compromising with Democrats and further toward the hard right," says Skocpol. "And they've been very successful. ... They've taken over the Republican Party, lock, stock and barrel."

Elizabeth Price Foley, a constitutional law professor and author of "The Tea Party: Three Principles," calls the tea party "the new Republican base." `'That causes a lot of people who want to dismiss the tea party to characterize them as puppets of some great wealthy conservative puppet masters," she says. "If anything, the tea party is the one who is moving the mountain. The mountain being the Republican Party."

This was on full display during last summer's congressional debt debate, when House tea partyers forced Republican Speaker John Boehner to postpone a vote on legislation to raise the debt ceiling and hastily revise it to add a balanced-budget provision, pushing the government to the brink of default. It was just one example of the strength exerted by newly elected tea party Republicans advocating a tough no-compromise mantra. Earlier, they drove House Republican leadership to rewrite a budget bill to find more spending cuts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/14/tea-party-2012_n_1425957.html

Further, 142 of the 435 voting members of the U.S. House of Representatives (33%) are members or supporters of the Tea Party. That's 59% of the Republicans. You might call them obstructionists; I agree - just as I would be an obstructionist if someone came into my House and tried to change the Rules that my family had established and defended for 223 years.

http://thatsmycongress.com/index.php/2011/06/03/62-percent-of-tea-party-in-congress-votes-for-unrestrained-war-powers/

@ jane8 > Your spin on Biden's behavior would have put a bowling ball in orbit. Good one. I needed a laugh.

I just watch and learn.

804 LIES AND COUNTING - 39 NEW LIES ADDED THIS WEEK

The Mendacity of Mitt Romney Lying To The Teabillies

As of Friday 10-12-2012, the number of Mitt Romney lies has reached 804, listed here chronologically, including reference source web links.


http://mittromneyliestotheteabillies.blogspot.com/

So patriot, why is it so difficult for you to answer this simple question?

"can I also guess you're one still clinging to the "muslim brotherhood" and Hillary Clintons aid and the "birther" aspect too right?"

Good list Big Bird. :)

I'm wondering what the heck you're talking about. What about the mb and hil and birther? Clarify please.

@ jane8 > So I guess you posted the website as another example of the terrible things conservatives do. Problem is, the story encourages liberals to do the same. "Now if only activists on the left would stop spending all their time arguing with each other on e-mail listservs and in Facebook group comments and get the message about how to do this too..."

vp, Years ago I was sitting in a foreign country watching a tape of the head of that foreign government on local TV news playing golf. Only problem with that I knew the man was not repeat not on the golf course--as a matter of fact he was not even in the country at that moment! I remember thinking that level of deception would never happen in the US BUT, mark my words, it will! When GWB was in office, for the first time ever, Wolfowitz/Rumsfield started their own little intel community within the Pentagon (google it). Romney is planning on using about 17 of GWB's foreign advisors on his team. We thought we have been through some wars--watch and see what happens if/when Romney becomes commander in chief. Bibi wants us to wipe Iran off the face of the earth and he is smart enough to work ole Romney--Romney is not as clever as he thinks he is; he and GWB have much in common except Romney has a much better command of the English language than GW. Oh, I know...don't take my word for it. You don't have to...you will see for youreself and I doubt we will have to wait too long after he is sworn in. You think this country has problems now...just wait buddy.

@ Big Bird 10/12 > In a speech in Strasbourg 4/3/12, Obama said America had "failed to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world." The United States had "shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive" towards its allies, he said. Many people, including me, think he was wrong to criticize our actions given the amount of money and blood we have given for Europe. Many of us also think his comment was an apology, even though the word "sorry" was not used.

I'm not going to go through the other 803 "lies" because I don't have the time or desire. Romney is not the person I would have selected to carry my banner. But he is a better choice than Obama. If Obama had surrounded himself with smart, patriotic, unselfish people with high ethics, I believe he would have met my definition of successful. Instead, he did the complete opposite. The only member of his cabinet that I have any respect for is Hil, and that's thin because she put up with Bubba's antics and his defilement of the Oval Office. Obama has ignored the Constitution and our Laws. I am sincerely concerned about what he will do if he has another four years with "more flexibility" as he told the Russian President.


You>>"In 2003, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette described the St. Petersburg Times as a "usually liberal" newspaper. On January 1, 2012 the St. Petersburg Times was renamed the Tampa Bay Times. The Tampa Bay Times operates PolitiFact.com. Conclusion: politifact leans to port."

the OP below was pretty clear unless you're simply being puposefully obtuse.(which would be my guess to avoid answering the questions. )


"The beckster blackboards work on some.

can I also guess you're one still clinging to the "muslim brotherhood" and Hillary Clintons aid and the "birther" aspect too right?

Just what America needs, the conspiracy theorists in charge of reality."

I said it first. (to my knowledge)

http://news.yahoo.com/joe-bidens-smiling-method-madness-190513313.html

I read and yelled BOOM!, jarring the other half. (enter evil laughter)

Last tidbit before pillow:

http://swampland.time.com/2012/10/03/blue-truth-red-truth/

I picked up Time while shopping. Its an interesting article, not for either candidate but how we view them.

Dear 'wondering',
Cheers for your insightful, well-reasoned comments. Thanks and welcome to these debates. You make the Teabilly-Libertarians cringe in their caves. If I ever grow up I wanna be just like you.

Dear 'valleypatriot',
Jeers for your beckster derived gerbil cage ideas that endlessly run in a religiously driven circle. On the seventh day do you rest? Now, get off my lawn before I call the cops.

ROFLMAO
now living in jumping-up-and-down-happy-clappy land

@ wondering 10/13 > I am still "wondering" what the heck you are talking about.

ahhh the typical tea bag patriot response. sloppy ,wet and cold, like a dead fish limp wristed handshake.

@ katybug 10/13 >

1st webpage: You did say so earlier. Could be their strategy. Debate #2 will be interesting.

2nd webpage: Thanks for sharing. Excellent analysis of our biases and how they cause us to mistrust or refuse to believe proven facts...or to accept that the facts have been proven. Mea Culpa.

@ wondering > Personal attacks do not answer the question I asked twice. Please explain what about the mb and hil and birther you are talking about. Clarify please.

why should I waste my time on a super patriot who doesn't seem to have simple reading comprehention skills?

your little tea bag dick armey is who brought up the MB connection to hillarys aid and the birther question is crystal clear as well.

again you're simply a fraud and a deceiver. Just like the rest of your little tea party terrorist cell.

are you stonewall Paul by chance?

*comprehension...

It is very interesting how you still won't give credit the your faux nation misquote nor will you admit your post was a deceptive tactic.

just like most super patriots, buncha know it all because faux and the beckster told em so..


narcissistic personality disorder with a touch of headupassitus is my diagnosis.

@ wondering 10/13 1:03am > I got it from http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/5100338/Barack-Obama-arrogant-US-has-been-dismissive-to-allies.html

I will not respond to further posts from you or roflmao unless you stop posting nastygrams like 10/13 12:56pm, 10:08am, and 9:12am. They add nothing to the discussions.

Nice parade in Front Royal this morning. Dems brought a happy, diverse group of people-yay. Cons brought a not so happy, much less diverse crowd-boooo.
Two Uncle Sams, boy scouts, cheerleaders, the "princesses" my youngest calls them. Good day to get out if you are able and see the crafts.

I rarely buy news media, when most is available online but the cover caught me and a quick inside scan later it was in the basket. I thought it was a very fair and realistic look at today's politics. Makes looking into "facts" a little more important and getting the well rounded, like it or not input.

wondering...WAY TO GO!!!!

Re vp (October 13, 2012 12:08 AM) post, great work in calling these people out for quoting the one liners-out of context remarks; they readily repeat the talking heads without verify anything.

"True leadership must be for the benefit of the followers not the enrichment of the leaders." - Robert Townsend,, 1920–1998 (American business executive and author who is noted for transforming Avis into a rental car giant.)

“I once watched several criminals engage in an organized argument, while an audience of supporters cheered them on, but I was so disgusted that I had to turn off the political debate.
”
― Jarod Kintz, This is the best book I've ever written, and it still sucks


That about sums it up.

Jarod Kintz (Author of E-mails from a Madman)

vp, the article you cited http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/5100338/Barack-Obama-arrogant-US-has-been-dismissive-to-allies.html
is a 2009 article. Since the author, Toby Harnden, wrote that he has become a U.S. citizen, moved to McLean, VA and writes conservative articles. Some powerful Republican REALLY likes his work. Cheers.

Now I'm "wondering" what new user name will appear for VP to continue the made up prattle?



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