Posted November 23, 2012 | comments 34 Comments

Letter to Editor: Republicans need to learn from 2012 debacle


With the election finally over, the Republican Party, besides finger pointing, attempting to blame its embarrassing loss on Sandy, Ryan, Christy, Romney, etc., should take a contemplative introspection for the real reasons for its thumping.

Its affection for scare tactics, hateful characterizations, voter suppression efforts, its obsession with rape and reproduction and its inane fear of having guns taken away all contributed to its resounding rejection.

I don't believe it will face the hard truths for its defeat. In talking to Republicans, they exhibit a combined lack of knowledge of historical facts and an inability to learn from current events. It seems they believe the most outrageous lies from certain media which pander to them simply because they sound good and therefore must be true. When they think they have a sympathetic listener, they call the president the most blatant racial epithets, revealing their visceral contempt for him, but say in a more open forum that their dislike for him has nothing to do with race. These are the same people who profess that the American Civil War was fought over "states rights" rather than the real issue of slavery.

An opinion, recently appearing on this page, demeaned the president in the usual and publicly correct terms. The writer claimed the president's 2008 election was an aberration because no one knew much about him nor was he properly vetted by the electorate or news organizations. Is his reelection after nearly four years on the job also an aberration? And the writer claims his dislike for the president has nothing to do with race, although the usual code words of radical, communist and socialist appear.

As for the "birthers," (reference Donald Trump and others) who claim the president was not born in the United States, they should know when George Romney (Willard Mitt's father) sought the GOP nomination in 1968, no one questioned his qualifications despite the fact that he was born in Mexico. As additional information to fact-deficient members of the GOP, George Romney was defeated by Richard M. Nixon, and we know how that turned out.

Ron King, Woodstock


    Good letter Mr. King. Nice to know there are some "functioning brains" in the Valley (ho, ho, ho!).

    Don't believe for a minute that this backward political party has learned anything, as long as the likes of Karl Rove continues his quest for power and he won't be finished until his clogged arteries scream out in paint!

    RK is in the same place too many liberals are in – still living the election 2 1/2 weeks later and repeating the same hackneyed reasons for the Republican loss as the liberal pundits. Here’s a novel idea – instead of explaining why Romney lost, explain why Obama won. The previous writer was correct; his original election was an aberration. As expected, the liberals jumped all over that as being racial. To a liberal, any criticism of Obama is racial.

    So let’s see, why did Obama win? Was is because of his excellent economic policies that raised unemployment from 7.8% when he took office to a high of 10% Oct 2009; and didn’t drop below 9% until Oct 2011and below 8% until Sep 2012 (coincidentally just before the election). Hmm – no, that can’t be it. Maybe it’s the $1.85 per gallon price of gas at the pump that increased to $3.40. Hmm – no, that can’t be it. Maybe it’s the federal debt that went up 4$T. Nope, not that either. Maybe it’s home values that fell 11%. Nope. Maybe it’s the U.S. decline in world competitiveness. No, that can’t be it either. Maybe it’s the U.S. loss of stature around the globe during the past four years. Can’t be. Maybe it’s the spirit of cooperation and bipartisanship he has forged in Congress. No, definitely not that. (None of this takes into account the IABF factor - "it's all Bush's fault.)

    So what’s left? Since there were no positive reasons to vote for Obama in 2012, why did 3% more of us vote for him than for Romney? Maybe those people who voted for him in 2008 did so again because to vote against him would be admitting they made a mistake the first time. Maybe conservative values just don’t appeal to them. Maybe Romney is the devil they made him out to be. Maybe Obama will become the president we wanted four years ago. Maybe. He’ll have to change a lot of spots and stripes. (And if he does, I hope my conservative brethren will work with him.)

    VI you are the poster boy for not getting it. Keep on with the same innacurate and tired junk. Democrats will keep on winning elections because the base of the Republican party like you is out of step and out of date.

      ronnie, the dems won the election - move on. Stop with the lame liberal lip flapping. Try to come up with some solutions instead of sitting back and whining about "they just don't get it." Repeat, you won the election, now go do something productive.

      btw, you didn't say what was inaccurate.

        "Apparently this election was not only divided along racial and financial lines, but on intelligence lines as well. Our favorite thing about this graphic is that the data Kenny used came from Fox Business, so if you're a Romney voter, this is basically Neil Cavuto accidentally calling you an idiot."


          @ jane re November 25, 2012 7:18 AM post: Not sure how your post is relevant. Since higher income usually accompanies higher education, the chart disproves the lie that conservative = educated = wealthy. Which leads to the conclusion that the Dems are not the party of the downtrodden any more than the Reps are the party of the fat cats.

            valley patriot replied to comment from Jane8 | November 25, 2012 8:59 AM

            "Since higher income usually accompanies higher education, the chart disproves the lie that conservative = educated..."

            Oh, vp, you will get no argument from me regarding that statement!

        VI it doesn't seem like you have moved passed the election" See below:

        "So let’s see, why did Obama win? Was is because of his excellent economic policies that raised unemployment from 7.8% when he took office to a high of 10% Oct 2009; and didn’t drop below 9% until Oct 2011and below 8% until Sep 2012 (coincidentally just before the election). Hmm – no, that can’t be it. Maybe it’s the $1.85 per gallon price of gas at the pump that increased to $3.40. Hmm – no, that can’t be it. Maybe it’s the federal debt that went up 4$T. Nope, not that either. Maybe it’s home values that fell 11%. Nope. Maybe it’s the U.S. decline in world competitiveness. No, that can’t be it either. Maybe it’s the U.S. loss of stature around the globe during the past four years."

        The inaccurate part would be looking at each of those things and coming up with the reasons why. Who was the President that left Obama with this mess. Yep gas prices were low because we were on the edge of financial collapse and the demand for gas was down. Housing is now showing improvement. Polls show that the US is more popular around the world than before President Obama took office. This has been pointed out to you previously but you continue with the same lame rhetoric.

        You aren't looking for any solution. Not one was proposed by you. You are just being the grumpy old white guy with his stepford wife.

          ronnie re November 25, 2012 9:02 AM post: You conveniently stopped quoting me before you got to the "IABF" (it's all Bush's fault) part. Your statement about gas prices is ludicrous and housing has been too unstable to provide long-term predictions. A recent Pew Research Centre poll of attitudes toward the U.S. in 21 countries found that confidence in Obama's foreign policy has fallen sharply since he took office. pewresearch.org/pubs/2284/obama-usimage-image-abroad-global-economic-power-drone-strikes-policy-military-terrorism-china-economy

          I am looking for solutions...to the mess you dems either created (my view) or inherited (your view) but couldn't fix in four years. The solutions dems offer are tax and spend. We'll see how that works out this time. Here's a good read on solutions. online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303753904577450910257188398.html

          Like many of your pack mates, you have an affinity for assumptions. Here you assume I am male, white, old, and married. Last, you show your lack of urbanity, chivalry, and courage by insulting a wife I may or may not have.

            valley patriot replied to comment from Ronbo44 | November 25, 2012 6:04 PM ... confidence in Obama's foreign policy has fallen sharply since he took office.

            vp, While it is true that confidence in President Obama's foreign policy has fallen, wish to point out it is still 63 percent (2012), down from 78 percent (2009) according to the source you cite. In predominantly Muslim countries, the rating fell from 34 percent (2009) to 15 percent (2012).

            Also, vp, that very same report stated that "most nations surveyed continue to express more confidence in President Barack Obama than in other key international leaders.

            VP i.e., VI, Danny Boy, No my statement about gas prices isn't ludicrous.

            Read this article: http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/25/news/economy/gas_prices/index.htm

            Read that part about how dramatically the price of a barrel of oil dropped because of the recession.

            See Jane8's posts above. That decline in the middle East in his popularity is because he got Osama bin Laden which your hero George Bush, Jr. didn't.

            Your link didn't work (Wall Street Journal owned by Rupert Murdock what a laugh that link must have been).

            Finally, if I insulted you in any way I'm pleased.

    Behind it all there is a pervasive syndrome with a single origin:


    Sorry there, valley patsy, yes, you lost the election, but we are not ready to stop rubbing your nose in it just yet. I figure we got another couple months of gloating before the score is settled. And maybe not even then. Look at all the joy you have to look forward to.

    Always remember, my gravestone doesn't have to be factual so while I'm still pumping air I'm gonna say what I want when I want, and if it comes at your expense, all the better. We're going on an adventure.

    Mr. King, thanks for your letter.

    Whacko -- ditto Ronbo & the patsy moniker as appropriate for vp... and unlike most descriptors, printable in public too. Let us hope he stops beating his wife. : - )

    Now that President Obama has been reelected (thanks largely to the votes of women and people of color) and election shock of the Romney/Ryan defeat has worn off, grumpy old white guys who had no use for hispanics, women, poverty, and blacks 3 weeks ago are now returning to their old ways, expressing their inner rage by being disrespectful to large blocks of American citizens and tearing the wings off flies.

    Here is the mental movie valley patsy should be viewing; Robert Deniro in Taxi Driver looking in the mirror... 'who you talking to.... you talking to me?'.

    Now, patsy, go get your shoeshine box.... destiny awaits your flower petal strewn reappearance.


    RONBO44. You may find this informative (vp would too, although I doubt he will make the effort).

    "Describing Bush in a word 2004 vs 2008" under A Legacy of War (Pew Research Center)


    Two more items in the report I found interesting....

    --Part 3: Little Confidence in Bush Abroad

    --"The Bush Gap" with chart "After Bush's Re-election, A Deeply Divided Nation"

    At last, some honesty.


    “I had told the producer before I went on that I thought the Benghazi story had been hyped. So it should have been no surprise when I said it and the anchor pushed back that I defended my view,” Tom Ricks told POLITICO in an e-mail. “I also have been thinking a lot about George Marshall, the Army chief of staff during World War II, and one of the heroes of my new book. He got his job by speaking truth to power, and I have been thinking that we all could benefit by following his example as much as we can.”

    Yep, we learned our lesson. To win elections you promise to give everyone everything they want with no way to pay for it. You lie about your opponent. You get the press to hide every dishonorable and scandalous thing you do. Make sure the election is rigged in all the right places. Yes, we learned to win an election in this country you must be like a third world dictator and fix things just the way they should be. The Democrats won, unfair and square. Whining about it won't change it. It's time to sit back and watch it all come crumbling down. Benjamin Franklin said it best, "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."

      Gee, Kim, I'm glad you mentioned 'Democrats' because when you stated promising to give everyone everything they want with no way to pay for it, lying about your opponent, hiding every dishonorable and scandalous thing you do, and making sure the election is rigged in all the right places...I was certain you were speaking of Romney.

      Thank you for sharing BF's quote with us. Yes, that has been done, e.g., the Bush Tax Cuts and, yes, we need to correct that.

      McCain is backing down from his criticism of Rice.
      Sen Graham (R-SC), Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN), Sen Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) are running away from Norquist.
      Sensibility does seem to be returning albeit slowly.

      Republicans learned the hard way that they failed to make Obama a 'one term president'. so maybe now they will do the right thing and try to cooperate with this administration for the good of our country. Common sense may prevail and a few years from now the Tea Party will be a page or two in the U.S. history books. Heard the name Sarah Palin mentioned lately?

      So, Kim, here's a quote that you and your TP buddies can reflect upon...

      "We may congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing its end.
      It has cost a vast amount of treasure and blood. . . .
      It has indeed been a trying hour for the Republic; but
      I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes
      me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war,
      corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places
      will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong
      its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth
      is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.
      I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety
      of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war.
      God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless."

      The passage appears in a letter from Lincoln to (Col.) William F. Elkins, Nov. 21, 1864.
      Ref: The Lincoln Encyclopedia, Archer H. Shaw (Macmillan, 1950, NY)

    kim get out from under that rock. even your people won't buy that bs.


    Queen of the Tin Foil Hats?


    About the only claim she has yet to make is stigmata. (How much longer must we wait?)

    Kim... Haven't you heard? Romney lost the election. It was in all the papers. So did all your favorite Tea Party tin foil hats:
    Paul Ryan
    George Allen
    Rick Perry
    Rick Santorum
    Newt Gingrich
    Sarah Palin
    Todd Akin
    Richard Mourdock
    Joe Walsh
    Scott Brown
    Allen West
    Karen Kwiatkowski
    And...taaaaa daaaaaaa..... Kim Bishop

    Yep, all these Teabillies LOST their election bids.

    So, Kim, I suggest you take the wood you use to crucify yourself and build a bridge to get over it.

    ok, the wayside Inn stuff has beeen deleted off here. Its fine with me if the bearded fellow and his wife want to just make a bed and breakfast out of the place.

    But do not get outspoken about the local workforce. I'm sure some of them people working at wayside have been working their for a long time.

    We can all bake buscuits and country ham down the road, and make it a better place. I like the country market by the battlefield much more anyway.

      I too noticed that the comments to the Wayside article where deleted. I personally was grateful to have the venue to tell those owners how they have messed up that beautiful historic building. The building stands out like a sore thumb...I have not heard one positive reaction to the new look. Middletown is a beautiful town to drive through...then one sees that building!!!!

      Interesting NVD review policy! On loss of life articles written in the paper, relatives have pleaded with NVD to remove the comments and they (NVD) did not. But I guess the WS owners feelings have more weight than the grieving relatives?

        Agree Jane8 and shendoah1!! Evidently NVD is more afraid of a lawsuit from someone who owns an inn (even when the comments are the opinions of the posters??????) than the insensitive and hurtful comments on the loss of life articles written in the paper.

        Having read the comments especially from a couple of people who had personal experience with the Wayside before NVD deleted all of them, just confirmed what I thought about that whole Wayside Inn matter after reading that article and reading between the lines.

        Back when the inn was sold in 2009, I wish that wonderful historic inn had been sold to someone who was serious and competent in the running of it.

          Yep, song90, anyone in the workforce could 'read between the lines' of that article.

          A boss creates fear, a leader confidence. A boss fixes blame, a leader corrects mistakes. A boss knows all, a leader asks questions. A boss makes work drudgery, a leader makes it interesting. - Russell H. Ewing

          "Being in power is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren’t!" –Margaret Thatcher (Leadership should appear natural and be evident to all)

    these walls look like "crap", ahh my gosh do not deliete me off here....LOL

    ONCE AGAIN - vp enjoys the taste of shoe leather. Does he prove conservatives can be led to school but you can't make them learn? Is that how Post Office union shop stewards are born?

    Doesn't the Wayside Inn situation (we have so much business we had to close down and stop making too much money) sound like an episode of "Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmares" waiting to happen. I wonder what kind of hairy mystery meat he would find in the refrigerator?

    Where is Gordon when you need him?


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